While I'd certainly humor an argument about antisemitism, I don't think there's that much reason to render such an accusation except for the deutscheaboo thing, which I think is not enough reason. My specific point in using it as an example is that I'm pretty familiar with it and hope that I can either use it as a common reference point or at least that you can pretty easily find what I'm talking about. My general point in using it as an example is that it functions as a counterexample to your inferences, that x set of traits precludes them being about y subject (some scorned race), so here's an example of an ethnic group about which all of these things were said, demonstrating that your inference is inadequate, and also that your claim that it's not about Jews is so far inadequate (which is not proof of the antithesis, just a disproof of your proof).

If you claim that P -> Q, me arguing that P does not imply Q does not say anything about whether or not Q is actually the case, just whether your inference is false. One way to disprove it would be to establish that Q is not the case even though P is, but that's just one way and I don't think there's really adequate evidence for making that argument. If you want my feeling about Frieren's demon depiction, it's that it isn't about any particular race/ethnicity, but is evidently informed by some underlying element of chauvinism because it's still a pogrom fantasy even if it doesn't correspond to any race and isn't meant to either.

I'm sure we can agree that this conversation is a poor use of time, so we can stop here, I just wanted to explain that one point because you asked.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 3 points 3 weeks ago

If you want my feeling about Frieren's demon depiction, it's that it isn't about any particular race/ethnicity, but is evidently informed by some underlying element of chauvinism

But what are you basing this claim on besides vague intuition? The Demons in the setting are the chauvinists, their entire society is stractured around elitism and domination, they're not a put upon minority ethnic group

The concept of monsters or even races of monsters is not inherently tied to real world realities concerning race and ethnicity, you need the allusions that actually form that connection to make that claim, and you can make those claims about AOT and some other suss anime, but not Frieren

The allusions that define the Demons of Frieren are those of imperialist Europeans and the deprivations of European nobility, that's why the Demons are always ridiculously dripped out, they're what the rich in the real world want to be, their ideal platonic form

because it's still a pogrom fantasy even if it doesn't correspond to any race and isn't meant to either.

The Demons are the ones committing pogroms, they explicitly genocide the elves because the Demon King ordered it, Frieren is literally a victim of genocide, that's the source of her hatred, her character has more in common with the popular imaginary of a post war Nazi hunter than some Gestapo thug looking for "demon" girls hiding in an attic