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Frieren is so good when you don't have some racist prick in your ear screaming about how demons are libs and minorities
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Japanese Frieren fans ask themselves what Himmel would do.
American Frieren fans ask themselves what Himler would do
They aren't people though. They are literally hyper evolved monsters. If a zombie child comes after you you don't think twice. Same goes for the demons. They are simply apex predators. It would be like a shark that could say "hey hang out with me" so it could eat you (and yes I know sharks don't actually kill humans frequently)
Zombie children tend to not cry and beg for mercy, and if our conclusion about sharks (ignoring what your parenthetical) is that we need to kill all of them, that'd be kind of fucked up, and that's in our world where we don't have magic as nearly a blank check for solving problems.
Also, again this is a "curtains are blue" sort of argument, because you could say just the same thing about the writing in Goblin Slayer ("they're just monsters, bro"), but that doesn't mean all that much for looking at the message compared to how they are written. Like yeah, it's a fantastical excuse for a moral obligation to commit infanticide, that's exactly what I'm calling it too. Goblin Slayer has SV and, while I think it makes the work itself much more despicable because of the exploitative way that it's handled, in-universe it's not hugely morally different from Frieren demons, it just is written in such a way where it's evidently easier for people to recognize that it's a fucked up thing to write.
Like, doesn't the board talk every now and then about The Iron Dream? It's literally just another one of those, but as a side plot for what is otherwise an incomparably better story.
Sharks don't engage in colonialism, sharks don't engage in Genocide just because the "Shark King" ordered them to, sharks (and the Goblins of Goblin Slayer) don't have a sociopolitical system that conditions them to "only give dignity to those with high mana"
Again missing that crucial bit of subtext and narrative context that blows up your whole take
Tell me more about how the demons are presented as having conditioned traits rather than essential ones. As I said in the other comment, your claims about them being a political faction that is not racialized is undermined by the fact that they are a race and their most salient features in terms of their villainy are presented as essential to their race.
Its not a rather or thing, its clearly both, they have no empathy and they're conditioned by the hiearchry of mana
My point tho, that you are continually ignoring in favor of harping on about surface level presentation. Is that demons and the way they operate in the world of Frieren is a direct allusion to the elites of our world
Their presentation as a "race/species" who hunt and dominate humans for sport, is also an allusion to the mindsets of real world elites
The presentation make not be to your likely, but simply ignoring subtext and narrative isn't a good way to analyze media either
It's wild that so many people on here don't get this, it's like they actively want the show to be fascist/racist/whatever lol
That literally describes the countless histories of colonialism, actual cannibalism was a real facet of colonial brutality and indigenous groups all over the world were literally hunted by Europeans like game
What the Demons are doing in the setting wouldn't be out of place in any given history concerning colonial atrocity
How much ink is spilled in the later chapters expanding on just how much land humans had lost to the Demon's relentless 1000-year expansion and war of extermination. Humans were reduced to a third of their original territory - Hm, I wonder what that narrative could possibly be alluding to?
Leftists need to stop constructing their takes about media based off what chuds think, chuds are always wrong and by extension your take based on their incorrect assumption will also be wrong
'What chuds think' didn't enter into my thought process. The first thing I learned about Frieren was the baby demon subplot. My thoughts were, in order:
Did you actually watch Frieren or are you just going off second-hand reports about a single scene in isolation?
Why would I watch an anime I thought would be Goblin Slayer-esque cryptofash shit?
Maybe because you're wrong and you've been misled? Have you considered that possibility?
Goblin Slayer is doo-doo garbage, Frieren on the other hand is going to become anime of the decade, the Demons aren't some metaphor for oppressed real world people, they're the ideal Platonic form of the bourgeois and they act like it, both subtextually and in-universe
I'm not kidding, season 2 is a few months away and the chapters that are being animated are going to turn this anime into a global sensation
As a result leftists misled on this series are going to hit a brick wall of cultural delegitimization, if they insist on leveling nonsensical accusations of racism at the frankly hype shit that's about to hit
When I've seen 99 stories use their "inherently evil race that can be righteously exterminated to the last individual" to push fascist ideas, I'm not inclined to expect the 100th to be different. Frieren has built itself on a premise tainted by the ideology and actions of historical and contemporary fascists. People are going to see that and make a judgment based on that because nobody has the time or the patience to watch every episode of every show that comes to their attention, especially ones they don't expect to like.
That makes no sense
lmao I've written an essay worth of paragraphs blowing up takes like yours all over this thread, you guys don't have a leg to stand on beside vague tumblr-ass intuition
At this point I'm beginning to suspect none of you have even watched the anime
Except again, none of you have established HOW it would be imported to real people, when the anime's subtext, lore, presentation, and narrative details and defines demons as the platonic ideal that elites in the real world believe or wish themselves to be
Be honest, you didn't watch the show, that's twice now I've confirmed I'm talking to someone who doesn't have a clue what the anime actually presents
You're just guessing, going off second hand reports and relying on intuition, so you're right I can't argue against a phantom show, so no point in continuing a conversation at this point