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[โ€“] mistermodal@lemmy.ml -2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm sorry to double tap but I'm like doubled over laughing on my run at the concept of someone going "keh, the Trotskyists would never think of handing out newspapers at a liberal demonstration" you are physically killing me ๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜ญ what even is this site

[โ€“] Conselheiro@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Most trots I know do your exact pipeline of not preparing properly for contact with the masses, being shocked at how reactionary people can be, not doing self-criticism on preparation and methods of agitation, and deciding that the revolution is doomed because the masses are ignorant (unlike them, the smart Marxists). It's idealism.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1920/lwc/ch06.htm

I would understand if an org decided that participating in this or that protest was not worth the effort for some material condition. You, however, are just abstaining from organising and encouraging others to do the same.

[โ€“] mistermodal@lemmy.ml -3 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Look, I'm not going to explain basic logic to you, because it looks like you have decided not to confront the history of the orgs you are telling me to join. Fortunately I actually can't, I am lying about being in America still. If I was, though, you wouldn't have a good point. Coming up with an effective theory of action is a prerequisite for anything. Clearly somebody hasn't read their Lenin.

Do you get off on pretending to be knowledgable online? Go away and read about some of the things I corrected you on. No spoon feeding for you.

[โ€“] Conselheiro@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Coming up with an effective theory of action is a prerequisite for anything.

And using protests and wider non-communist upheavals as agitation is not an effective theory of action? There's an economy of effort, sure, but you're not presenting any alternatives here.

Clearly somebody hasn't read their Lenin.

One of the most basic tenants of ML theory is the organisation of a vanguard party that will symbiotically support and lead spontaneous working class struggles through agitation, propaganda and building worker organisations until the dominant class can no longer exercise power. What part of that are you even close to advocating?