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The Guardian view on hybrid cars: profitable for carmakers but not very green (www.theguardian.com)
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The sales pitch had been that motorists could use “clean” battery power for city jaunts and dirty petrol for longer trips. This promised sustainable travel without the anxiety of a limited range. But real‑world tests, by the European non-profit Transport and Environment, show that PHEVs emit just 19% less carbon dioxide than petrol and diesel cars – far short of the 75% claimed in the lab.

Europe is a battleground between climate necessity, commercial reality and political clout. Four big European automotive companies avoided more than €5bn in fines because emissions compliance was not judged on real-world data. Switching to electric cars seems an obvious step. Yet former Renault boss Luca de Meo said earlier this year that EVs won’t be the dominant technology in Europe for two decades. It’s not just a lack of buyers or engineering nous holding back EVs. It’s that Europe’s carmakers are keeping profits rolling in by squeezing cash from hybrids and petrol cars.

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[–] tal@lemmy.today 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Fast‑forward 20 years and battery technology has improved dramatically; EVs are affordable.

I think that that depends on one's finances. They are certainly more affordable than they were in the past. They also cost rather more than a comparable ICE vehicle.

It’s not just a lack of buyers

I think that lack of demand at present price points is very much the dominant factor. In order to transition soon

remember that it takes a long time for a car to "age out"

one would have to be selling a high proportion of BEVs and one would want the proportion sold to be rising. From last year:

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/eu-car-sales-3-year-low-august-ev-sales-down-439-acea-says-2024-09-19/

EU car sales at 3-year low in August, EV sales plunge 44%

Sept 19 (Reuters) - New car sales in the European Union fell 18.3% in August to their lowest in three years, dragged down by double-digit losses in major markets Germany, France and Italy and sliding electric vehicle (EV) sales, auto industry body data showed on Thursday.

You can assess that there are negative externalities associated with ICE vehicles, maybe, and tax them further. Or subsidize EVs, if you feel that there are positive externalities associated with the transition. But at current prices, buyers are not purchasing EVs in the kind of numbers required for the industry to transition in the near future.