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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 159 points 3 days ago (34 children)

Really, really hoping Mamdani doesn't turn out to be Obama 2.0.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 134 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (8 children)

That would require Zohran to be ideologically liberal. I think it's pretty clear from a number of litmus tests that he's a socialist. It's much more difficult to go from being a socialist to a centist. Ideologically, being a socialist isn't merely a step to the left of liberal. It's a fundamentally different worldview which resembles American liberals in a few areas but only in appearance. E.g. both a liberal and a socialist might advocate for universal healthcare. The liberal feels that private healtchare is a defect of an otherwise functioning system. The socialist sees the system working as intended in that it enriches the oligarch class via private healtchare. Therefore the socialist sees public universal healthcare as removing a revenue stream from the oligarch class, diminishing its power in the process and reducing the scope of the capitalist system. The improvement to people's lives naturally follows as a consequence of that. From this perspective, it would be very difficult for a socialist to be convinced they should abandon universal healthcare because insurers would lose too much money like Obama did.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 41 points 3 days ago (6 children)

He says he's a socialist.

Democrats say a lot of things that sound really, really good too... until they're elected, and then we realize they're shit-stains.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 53 points 3 days ago (6 children)

You're not wrong and that could totally be the case but again, he's gotta be a really good actor to keep the socialist line when being grilled on some issues. It's certainly possible that he is. But I think he's leftist schtick is very different than Obama's. Only one way to find out. Vote for him if you're in NYC. 😁

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago

He says he’s a socialist.

Obama explicitly and repeatedly stated he was a capitalist

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 3 days ago (8 children)

The dems trying to take him out is evidence that he's real

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[–] PeacefulForest@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I mean show me a better candidate then.

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[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I think part of that is true and part of that is that they just don't get enough votes to actually do things.

Especially as just a Congressperson you can't change everything all at once. You don't have the same influence as a president. So you pick your battles.

People here get disappointed they didn't get enough done fast enough and then vote red in the next election hoping for faster change.

Well, we got faster change. Never seen change as fast as this.

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[–] al_Kaholic@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 3 days ago

If your underpants get a shit stain you should change them. Democrats haven't changed the shitty underwear in over 60 years.

[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It would also require a group of Republicans with the power to gag him every time he tries to do something.

Years ago, I saw a list that someone compiled of all of Obama's campaign promises and the results of them, and basically all but one he tried to do and was voted down by Republicans who threatened to shut down the government if Democrats tried to push it through. The one thing he promised and didn't even attempt to do was shutting down Guantanamo Bay. For everything else, the Republicans who controlled both the house and the Senate for 7 and a half years of his presidency shut him out. There's a reason that Trump spent the first two years of his presidency repealing every executive order that Obama made. Besides being racist and upset that a black man held any power in this country, of course.

[–] Niquarl@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Where do you get the republicans controlled senate and house for seven and a half year?

Democrats had 57 senators after 2008 and 51 after 2010, 53 in 2012, then lost the majority in 2014. In 2006 they got 233, increasing to 257 in 2008. They lost that majority in 2010 and lost more seats in the following years.

They had a window of complete control.

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[–] drbluefall@toast.ooo 32 points 3 days ago (11 children)

Given a lot of his known history, I have enough confidence to say he's a real one, unlike Obama.

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[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I feel like mayor is a better jump up for a candidate like Mamdani than President. Also, Mamdani is coming up with a lot more policies that can get implemented. In contrast, Obama ran on far less openly socialist policies outside of healthcare. When it got to healthcare, Obama was relatively hands off when the bill was being written.

[–] knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

As a German it will always amuse me to read about policies that Otto von Bismark enacted here as socialist. Like general health care was given to weaken the power of worker unions.

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[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

He can’t become president so no worries on an exact repeat. Personally, good to see such a great representative of democratic socialism on display at this moment.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (3 children)

To my knowledge, he does not have the ability to drone strike anyone. So we're safe on that count

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