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[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 49 points 1 week ago (48 children)

I hate to say it, but she's right. Trump was very clear about his plans. Anyone paying attention knew what was going to happen. Any sane person with a pulse would have won the election if the public wasn't so apathetic, ignorant, and/or misinformed.

[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 51 points 1 week ago (5 children)

if the public wasn't so apathetic, ignorant, and/or misinformed.

I don't think all of the apathy is inherent. Some of that's on her and the democratic party demoralizing their constituents. Yes, following game theory it is in their best interest to vote for the lesser evil and against the greater evil. I am politically active and I get that, so I voted.

Regardless, it still bothers me that a not insignificant portion of the Democratic party also knows this and takes advantage of this by coasting and doing the bare minimum. They seem more willing to spend their resources countering internal threats from progressives. It's not easy to stay motivated to support a party openly hostile to your own values.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of them would rather have a fascist opponent. Then voting comes down to, basically, vote for me because the alternative is fascism. How dare you question my policies (or lack thereof) or my soft stance our ally's obvious genocide? I'm your only hope. Vote for me or else.

It only works for so long, then apathy takes over.

[–] Sprocketfree@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 week ago (4 children)

But doesn't that just prove the point? These shitty Dems are allowed to exist because people don't vote.

[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yes, in part, and also because the party is actively trying to prevent those voters from getting the progressive candidates they want. It's more blatant these days (Bush, Bowman, Mamdani) than it has been in the past, but it was still happening. They don't want pressure from the left. They broke their promise to not support primary opponents (over incumbents) specifically when progressives started gaining ground. Many are openly hesitant to endorse Mamdani now if they aren't openly skeptical or critical. Vote blue no matter who, eh?

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