Saying there's nothing unique about capitalism is wild. I mean, it's literally in the name, in capitalism Capital (and investments as such) are the primary driver of the economy, while in proto-communism it was just so far from that, and under feudalism the land controlled by the nobility was the primary driver, where serfs would pay to use land with portions of their products, nothing like MCM.

[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 28 points 2 months ago (2 children)

They can't possibly believe that all modes of production are actually just the same, there's such a vast difference between the economy of today and the economy of those yesteryears. Surely they've noticed the lack of landed nobility?

If they think capitalism is markets and debt, which have existed basically forever, I could see how they could believe that. But if that's the basis for their understanding of capitalism, they don't understand marxism or leftism enough to critique it.

[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 25 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

If they think capitalism is markets and debt, which have existed basically forever

That is exactly what they think. That's why they think we're the fucking idiots. How could any human civilization exist without trade? The progression through modes of production is a completely alien concept to them. They don't even conceive of it as a transition from feudalism to capitalism, or that this transformation is what gave birth to liberalism in the first place. They conceive of it entirely as a cultural / philosophical transition from monarchism to liberalism. And then technology got better at some point. And the economy got bigger. And all of these things just happened on their own, independently.

Human civilization just sat around for thousands of years with its dick in its hand until one day somebody thought, "what if we voted for shit?"

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago

Liberals have to convince themselves we live in an eternal recurrence because anything else implies we have the capacity, therefore the obligation, to cause change away from this monstrous system.

[–] Krem@hexbear.net 16 points 2 months ago

Name one david tennant of capitalism (...) it was happening under (feudalism and proto communism)

hell yeah i love living in a tribe where all resources are shared and then paying rent to survive while elder Big Dog lives off of owning the hut and renting it to me, and Shaman Blissful Sky owns the businesses of "hunting" and "gathering" while i am employed at "gathering" and get paid one tuber per day