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[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

There is israel the occupier and the oppressor that believe the whole land belong to them and palestinians who sometimes commit act of vengence in response to that. There is only.one bad side.

Your stupid status quo is the reason why israel continue to occupy

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Blowing up random civilians isn't an act of vengeance, that's exactly the sort of atrocity that Israel is committing now. If Hamas restricted themselves to blowing up IDF bases and attacking IDF soldiers there would be no question that they're in the right, but they're mostly killing Israeli civilians which is just as wrong as when the IDF does it to Palestinian civilians. Just because one side is significantly more powerful than the other doesn't negate that. If the roles were reversed and it was Hamas who was committing genocide against Israel would you still be making this argument?

What's needed is an independent 3rd party. Israel needs to be forcibly removed from Palestinian land and the IDF disarmed until they can show they can do their job without murdering civilians. Hamas needs to be rooted out and Palestine needs an actual military that will be able to stand up to the IDF. None of that is going to happen under either Hamas or the current Israeli government, both of them would rather just keep murdering civilians.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Vengence never mean legitimate killing but it's an fact that hamas attrocities is in response to israel attrocities . The only way to end violence is the end of occupation which isrsel will not accept and the hypocrites like you and the countries claiming to care about palestinians refuse to acknowledge.

Israel is the one saying we will never give you the land that the international law say is palestinian. Israel is the one who is always killing negociators israel is the one currently exterminating the other.

Hamas is the one saying they will drop arms once the occupayion end. Even if you don't believe hamas a real free palestine will have an army to destory hamas. Hamas would lost almost all it's support since the occupation the source of the problem end unless you arr a racist who think palestinians are bloodthirty who like to kill jews. It's a fact that hamas din't have the ability to destroy israel

[–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I don´t think your definition of ´the occupation´ is the same as Hamas´

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

It is . It is pre-67 borders so all the Gaza Strip and all the West Bank, and all East Jerusalem.

Do you deny that Israel also claim there is no occupation and that all the Palestinian land belong to them ?