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In this setting, liberals face a conundrum. How far should they maintain traditional liberal ideals, and how far should they move towards non-liberal, and potentially illiberal, ideologies if these seem more promising for the purposes of social change?

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[–] Tuuktuuk@piefed.ee 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh boy, wait until you here about the record of liberal regimes when it comes to guaranteeing these rights...

Are you referring to the regime of Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Iceland, Norway, or Netherlands?

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 0 points 19 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Tuuktuuk@piefed.ee 0 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I think you're making am assumption based on a one or two liberal countries and extrapolating that to a larger bunch of countries where your assumption doesn't hold.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Prior to the twentieth century, are you willing to stand by the human rights record of all (but one or two) liberal countries? Are you even willing to do that today?

[–] Tuuktuuk@piefed.ee 0 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

No.

Are you? And why is the question relevant?

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Ok. Have fun playing dumb, but I'm not going to keep responding to it

[–] Tuuktuuk@piefed.ee 1 points 9 hours ago

Haha, that looks funny in the eyes of anyone who understands the subject.

But okay. I believe that regardless of how many questions I pose in order to find out if your case makes any semblance of sense, I won't find out whether it does.

I'll just assume you are clueless without noticing it yourself. That's okay.