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[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

TBH I didn't really see any relevant points in your first reply worth arguing. You're just saying children now need to suffer and die because of something people in the late 15th to 18th centuries decided to do, that nothing ever changes, ever has or ever will.

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We shouldn’t continue to treat people like shit because our ancestors treated their ancestors like shit.

“Blacks where enslaved and even after being released we’re never allowed to build equity and generational wealth in America and when they tried we killed them for it, but we passed the civil right s act so they really need to learn to integrate and stop doing crime and ghettos” is the dumb take we fight against today.

But DEI is just targeted class correction which is why it triggers the racists, but what needs to happen is that class equalization needs to happen across racial, ethnic, regional, generational boundaries.

No one (well, extremely few) does crime if they can make a good living. Stop taking away opportunities and driving people into their survival instinct.

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

You're going to sit there and say the Civil Rights Acts were ineffective and pointless? It sounds to me like the biggest advocate against racial equality here is you.

[–] MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think their argument was not that the Civil Rights Act and similar legislation have done nothing, but that they haven't done enough yet, and that people who like to pretend that "because we have passed certain of these laws, the work is done and everything is equal now, our best option is to pretend racism is all gone and just let every compete fairly in the all-better world" are either dreaming or lying.

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world -1 points 1 day ago

It didn't feel like they were praising the progress we've achieved so far and advocating for further progress in the same vein. It feels like they're siding with Balderdash that the one and only solution is violently destroying the system as it currently exists, which to me feels like it would create more bad outcomes and destroy the balance between western democracies and eastern autocracies.

[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

On the contrary, as the contradictions become more apparent we will be forced to decide between fascism or radical systemic change. Just as the status quo of feudal surfs came to an end, so too must this current system.

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world 0 points 1 day ago

Good luck with that. In the meantime we'll be working towards the only successful mode of change ever practiced in the USA, and the most consistently successful method ever practiced in our species history: democratic election of representatives who promote the reforms we need to help people and save lives.