Comradeship // Freechat

2567 readers

151 users here now

Talk about whatever, respecting the rules established by Lemmygrad. Failing to comply with the rules will grant you a few warnings, insisting on breaking them will grant you a beautiful shiny banwall.

A community for comrades to chat and talk about whatever doesn't fit other communities

founded 4 years ago

MODERATORS

felipeforte@lemmygrad.ml

I feel like former socialists never believed in socialism that much (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 2 days ago by KrupskayaPraxis@lemmygrad.ml to c/comradeship@lemmygrad.ml

31 comments fedilink hide all child comments

For former socialists, there's one argument I see them use for why they are not socialist anymore.

That argument is that they felt guilty about wanting to push their ideology onto others and so they started believing in parliamentary politics again where every opinion is valuable. My dad who used to be an anarchist as a teenager used this reasoning, as well as one of my teachers.

But this argument doesn't make sense to me, because it makes politics into something which only revolves around opinions, while we communists and the capitalist class know it's about power.

I feel like these people never learned much about their ideology when they were socialists. I think I will never stop being a communist, I know too much.

Have you seen this reasoning yourself?

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments

[–] Cheburashka@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

That’s another reason I am very skeptical of “Western Leftists”, by which I mean dem-socs and anarchists. They are often the “Ben Shapiros” of the Left, just arguing for entertainment, and this makes them quick to abandon as they get older and less interested in drama. I think this camp is excessively idealistic as well, I’ve heard claims like:

“Socialism is just workers voting in the work place”

or that “you can vote away the capitalism”

or that “USSR wasn’t real socialism,”

or “Successful socialism is Scandinavia and Universal Healthcare.”

Whenever I hear these claims I instinctively get suspicious of the person. I feel like these are the people that are eventually saying “you’ll be left in your younger years and move right as you age,” because they didn’t read any theory and just hopped on a bandwagon to be contrarian, it could have easily been ben shapiro politics too.

[–] Cowbee@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I hate that this used to be me in my old Reddit days years ago.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We all have to start somewhere, the key part is to be able to do self reflection and to grow. The time I'll start worrying is when I look back and don't find my old self cringe. :)

[–] Cowbee@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yep, absolutely! I try to atone for my sins by trying to rectify mistakes my past self made in others.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 days ago