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But the richest parts of the bluest states are bankrolling this administration. California's Silicon Valley is awash in fascism. New York's Staten Island has an enormous base of Trump support. Washington's Amazon, Microsoft, and Beoing C-levels are all in the tank for this administration.
Also, there are plenty of wealthy red states - Texas, Florida, Ohio, and Georgia are all in the top 10 by GDP. There are plenty of poor communities in these big red states that are disproportionately liberal.
There are plenty of purple states that can't be divided by trivially. What do you do with a Pennsylvania or Virginia or Wisconsin, with a divided government and regular partisan swing?
This wouldn't be any kind of clean slate. Everyone would still be carrying their political baggage with them.
And much of the economy of these states is interdependent. Water rights from the Mississippi and Colorado run through divided turf. California and New York both need access to ports along the Gulf Coast to operate solvently. "Fly Over" states like Iowa and Nebraska produce giant food surpluses. We still need all our transcontinental rail networks, highways, and airlines to function as state level economies.
This isn't a baby you can just split down the middle
So what alternatives would you suggest? All out civil war, or nuclear war with China or something?
Or just do nothing. Huff through it like we've been doing for the last 250 years.
That's far more likely than any radical geopolitical reorganization. Nobody in the US government with enough authority to affect a real secessionist movement actually wants a secessionist movement to exist. They all think they've got the next bite at the White House apple.
Hell, even in the OG Civil War, the first thing the Confederates did was march on Washington. The CSA never intended to be permanently divided. They were going to conquer and subjugate the north just as they'd subjugated Florida and Cuba and Texas and California in decades prior. The momentum among nations has always been consolidation. We only see break ups - like in the Balkins - when the central leadership of the domestic government is decapitated and a foreign country needs to divide in order to conquer.
Everyone wants to wave their fists at China. Nobody actually wants to stand up in that fight.
Douglas MacArthur learned that lesson far too well for any modern military leadership to seriously want to repeat it.
Doing nothing really helped during the 1930s in Germany. /s
Back then there were the mighty Soviet Union on one side and the massive war industry of the US on the other. Together, with other allied forces, they were able to fight back the nazis.
Right now, the fascists have the mightiest army. The largest and second largest airforces in the world (the airforce and the navy airforce). 11 mega carriers, military bases all over the globe.
Who's going to stop them? Euro forces are fragmented as everyone has their own materiel. China could stand up, but who wants them to win. I mean come on, it's China. Russia is depleted by Ukraine, plus fuck Russia. India couldn't care less.
That's a highly abbreviated view of history.
Germany wasn't just magically fascist one day during the 1930s. The country was heavily split between Soviet aligned KDR and Western aligned Conservatives, with Nazis playing both sides against the middle.
Americans like Ford and Prescott-Bush were very friendly with the German and Italian fascists before the war. Hoover was friendly with the Nazis straight into the first full FDR term. The Winter War heralded as a victory for capitalism in many corners of the Western world.
It wasn't until Germany invaded Poland that mainstream public sentiment turned. Even then, you needed Pearl Harbor to galvanize the US to enter a conflict the Soviets had been fighting for half a year.
They always did. US/UK have been fascist at least since McKinley. We were the bad guys during the Cold War. And while we won most of our battles, we ultimately suffered the same fate as our Soviet adversaries - corruption, insurrection, and capture by foreign intelligence services.
The worst enemy of the Nazi state was it's own leadership. They'd destroyed themselves from within before the first boots left German soil.
The country just took a decade to fall apart and killed 80M people as it came crashing down.