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I see it. He was attacked, went to the hospital, was released, died several days later, it was determined that his death was related to the earlier attack.
Because of that time period between the attack and the death, it would be harder to secure a conviction on first degree murder. A second degree charge will get a guilty verdict where a first degree might not.
Would that even matter? He died within days because of this planned and deliberate attack.
Because it's hard to prove you beat someone with the intent of killing them when they didn't die, but rather went to the hospital, were treated, and were subsequently released. Also going to be tougher because the hospital's role in this is going to be rightfully questioned as well. He may be dead because of negligence.
This is so frustrating, because I get what you're saying and wish the legal system didn't work the way it does.
My thought is this: had he NOT been given medical attention, would he have died from being beaten with a hammer? It sounds like YES, considering he died even after treatment.
If that's the case, what excuse does someone have to beat another person with a hammer without the intent to kill them? This wasn't an argument in a workshop gone bad, these were two individuals who walked around with a weapon specifically to use against other people in targeted attacks.
And they didn't just try to kill this one guy, they targeted and attacked multiple people from the sound of it.
Yeah, this one is pretty sickening. I think it more likely that this guy would have died without medical attention than as a direct result of treatment, but that's probably not relevant to the charge anyway. The victim probably died from his wounds, but it sounds more like the idiots who did it intended to rough him up for fun. They had hammers and didn't aim to cave the guy's skull in. Evidently the hospital didn't think it was that serious either, but damn, any serious beating has the potential for this. It would be like popping someone in a bar fight. Even if you were looking for trouble, it's pretty unlikely you meant to kill someone with a punch to the ribs, but it does happen. So they'll get murder, just not premeditated murder. Hopefully they weigh the brutality of the attack, and the intentional targetting of the homeless victims and put the adult away for a good long time. 12 year old isn't even old enough to fall under the YOA, but might get tried that way anyway depending on circumstances. Just sad all around here.