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[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 47 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

You know that you can strategically vote liberal and do direct action, right?

[–] axus@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago

Well ackshually felons aren't allowed to vote

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

You know that you can strategically vote liberal

There would have to be a strategy in voting against your own interests. It's actively voting for bad things so worse things maybe don't happen? That's your strategy?

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Correct. At present, the outcomes at the ballot box are "bad" and "worse". Of the two, "bad" is preferable. "Good" will require non-electoral direct action.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Look where that got us. It's a bad strategy and needs to be retired.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

It being a bad strategy and also the best available strategy are not mutually exclusive. No presently actionable strategy has a better outcome.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So there's no strategy that has a better outcome than Trump's second term? You sure about that?

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What? Trump's second term is largely the result of not strategically voting for lesser evil.

What alternative, actionable strategy would have led to a different outcome? Actionable means "Everyone votes for the same third party" doesn't count. So go on, what was the alternative strategy that had any chance whatsoever of succeeding?

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (24 children)

I think you're missing the point. The strategy out of the DNC going on two decades has been "our horrible candidate is less horrible than their candidate," and it took a worldwide pandemic and thousands of deaths for it to work once.

They need to stop and find someone who isn't horrible if they ever want to win again. That or just let the world burn and hope it's only the neolibs that survive. I wouldn't bet on that myself.

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[–] ganryuu@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago

Is it truly a bad strategy? Or is there much less direct action than what's needed?

[–] Genius@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

A tankie will never do either of those two things

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Neither will a lib. They'll "strategically" vote for some gross fascist and then directly act to have brunch. Same thing as a tankie basically. Just different imperial branding.