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Against Losurdo (newintermag.com)

submitted 3 months ago by plinky@hexbear.net to c/theory@hexbear.net

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debatable if it's slop or theory, but probably comrades will soon meet these arguments in the wild, and not that one has to abandon all theoretical considerations over geopolitical realism of the 20th century.

although it's all rather useless, treatlerism stays undefeated whether one thinks stalin was correct or not, got money from cia or not, decided to become culture critic or not

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[–] henryjwallis@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So if someone quotes Bordiga and attacks so-called "socialist" states, they are a Bordigist?

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Pretty damn likely, at minimum ultraleftist of some stripe. Most Marxists dislike Bordiga, choosing Bordiga of all people as the sole Marxist to represent your views in your short about blurb is pretty damning evidence to supporting Bordiga.

[–] henryjwallis@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If you read the editorial you would see that there is also a quote by Jean Jaurès. Would you call him an ultraleftist too?

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Ultras quote Marx as well, the difference is that non-ultras typically avoid Bordiga while ultras love him. What's your point? Are you trying to say this isn't an ultraleftist take, despite upholding Bordiga and attacking socialism as it exists in real life?

[–] henryjwallis@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don't think you know what you are talking about. It's a huge leap to go from "they quote Bordiga" to "this is a Bordigist project".

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Who upholds Bordiga, except Bordigists and other closely-related ultraleftists? What label do you think best fits the views of the authors, when they attack socialism as it exists in real life?

[–] henryjwallis@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So if I quote Aristotle I am an Aristotelian, and "upholding" the Peripatetic?

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You're incredibly evasive. What label do you think best fits the views of the authors, when they attack socialism as it exists in real life?

[–] henryjwallis@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I think New International is very clearly a big-tent radical leftist journal. Most people on the left, including most self-described Marxists, do not agree with Losurdo. Nor are they as supportive as Losurdo is of what you call "socialism as it exists in real life".

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 6 points 3 months ago

No, lol. The vast majority of Marxists globally support AES, you're conflating western ultraleftism with all of Marxism. Losurdo is celebrated for his contributions to Marxism, see my other comment going over why.