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this post was submitted on 09 Jul 2023
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While taking issue with p-values is a valid stance, the paper uses confidence intervals and bayesian methods (cubic splines) in addition to p-values, both of the proposed alternatives in the ASA's statement that you mentioned below.
While p-values are listed, there's stats which fall in line with the recommendations in this very paper. If you take issue with either of these methods, could you help explain to me why you're upset? Or is it just the fact that p-values are stated rather than focusing on the CI and bayesian results? I personally think there's value to still showing a p-value because it makes it slightly more approachable to the non-scientific or statistical crowd, so long as it's not used to distract from poor fit of other models.
No, that's my bad, thank you for correcting me! I only read the abstract, and they don't mention Bayesian methods there. Confidence intervals suffer from similar flaws as p-values and statistical significance.
It's great that they do analyses with other methods too indeed. Not, from my point of view, because they're more approachable โ quite the opposite: people think in terms of probabilities-of-the-hypotheses, and p-values are not that (that's one source of their misuse). But because it helps the transition to other methods. It'd been nice if they had stated the results from all methods in the abstract. But that'll be for next time maybe!
Cool thanks for clarifying! While I am a data scientist I am not a stats expert so always looking to understand proper critiques from those more knowledge than me ๐
Thank you for the correction. Don't trust me, though: check out the proofs and discussions in the references here, see for yourself :)