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Honestly I call bullshit that they would not let you drink water. Or maybe more correct, some individual for maybe unfair reasons, took a dislike to you and made your situation so unbearable you would quit.
You in 1911: "I call bullshit that a factory would lock it's fire exits, the workers at the Triangle Shirtwaist factory are to blame!"
You in 1919: "I call bullshit that a distillery would not employ engineers to maintain its molasses storage at a reasonable temperature, the Boston Purity Distilling Company did nothing wrong!"
You in 1936: "Theres no way the people who oversaw the building of the Hoover Dam would let their workers just suffocate to death underground due to lack of ventilation! They probably just forgot to breathe!"
You in 1991: "I call bullshit that a factory would lock it's fire exits, the workers at the Imperial Foods Chicken Factory workers are to blame!"
You in 2005: "It is impossible that BP would simply ignore safety procedures and not repair broken safety equipment at their gas plant in Texas, those people probably set themselves on fire!"
You in 2021: "There is no chance in hell that the Foundation Food Group of GA USA would not train employees, get permits, provide PPE, or install safety devices when working with liquid nitrogen, those workers probably were probably enjoying autoerotic asphyxiation on company time!"
You found 6 instances in the last 120 years and maybe 3 in your lifetime. While I would love there to be zero workplace fatalities, do you honestly think that will ever be possible? People will take shortcuts and sometimes they will simply make a mistake.
I actually just picked ones in America, post 1900, with more than 10 fatalities, that weren't mining disasters. There are over 5000 workplace Fatalities a year in the US alone - a rate of 14/day.
The point has not missed me. You implied it's unlikely that an employer would abuse their employees, I provided a host of counterexamples.
300 million people in the US and that few fatalities? 14 a day is high or unexpected? There are over 100 fatalities a day in vehicle accidents alone. That is not including accidents at home or from other misadventure. By your stat which is fairly correct, you are closer to ten times more likely to die outside of work then a work place accident.
People make mistakes. At home and at work. I can think of a handful of accidents in my area and everyone if then we're the result of an employee ignoring a safety rule. The majority of work place accidents I personal have knowledge of were the result of some employee ignoring a safety rule. The larger the company, the more safety was enforced.
you mis-understand. My point isn't that people don't die, it's that your point was that you don't believe employer negligence kills (or even, in your actual op, inconveniences) people.
No business that wants to stay in business won't let employees drink water for 6 hours while working them hard. And yes someone could carry out an illegal act and I am sure it has occurred but unless you had a gun to your head, who doesn't just get a drink of water.
"no business that wants to stay in business locks it's fire exits"
and yet...
I'm not saying every business does this, just I think it's short-sighted off you to say that not a single one would either.
I mean we all know our candy bars, and sneakers and engagement rings are made by tiny children at gunpoint for 25 cents a week, so it boggles the mind that you think the same companies that would commit corporate genocide would think twice about preventing domestic employees from being comfortable.
That is not people working in Western nations. This post was regarding a person working here making big claims this was a common thing. I can bs on that.
all my examples previously were USA.
Give me the source where a US company hired kids at 25c an hour and worked them under gunpoint.
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ilab/reports/child-labor/list-of-goods-print
Again you provided a source for countries that have employees child labor of which the US is not on there or no Western nations.
Is there a reason you would give sources that have nothing to do with what has been claimed here?
you're saying no American companies use cotton or lithium ion batteries?
A person said a place he worked at would not let them drink water for 6 hours and I called bullshit. Then you try and claim it must be true because shit happens in other countries. Tell me what American company is forcing kids or anyone to work at gunpoint so that you can't even get a glass of water?
you've conflated several of my points that were in reply to your specific questions. I think you should go back and read what you asked me for.
Because I shouldn't have to go back to the initial post and reiterate it in every responce because you go on a tangent and start posting unasked and unrelated information.
I only responded to what you asked. I was assuming you had a point at the end of it all.
I still maintain its not that silly that one person once worked in a place where they had draconian rules about what you could do while working.
Clearly you have never suffered real difficulty or studied any history in your life if you can't imagine workers being treated inhumanly. It is the norm without oversight, laws and reguations. You must live in a protected bubble.
Sure have. Worked some shit jobs. Moved on. What do you know of my life?
You have no idea what you're talking about. It's easy to say "things could never possibly be that bad" when you haven't experienced it. I hope you never do. I'm guessing you're a white man between 20-40, and while life hasn't always been easy, the social contract has mostly held for you.
I worked jobs from pounding in by hand railway secondary lines to installing solar panels. If I couldn't get along on the crew, I left. I seen many people get more or less ran off a crew but coworkers because they were being shits. That is the reality of working with people and getting along with those you work for.
This applies to Western countries. Three is definately a greater level of desperation in developing nations where there is far less functional businesses to create jobs. Then yes you can be treated pretty bad.