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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 73 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

Skill issue - on the devs side.

A lot of pages even fail if you only disable 3rd-party scripts (my default setting on mobile).

I consider them broken, since the platform is to render a Document Object Model; scripting is secondary functionality and having no fallbacks is bad practice.
Imagine if that were a pdf/epub.

[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 29 points 2 months ago (3 children)

wild thing is that with modern css and local fonts (nerdfonts, etc), you can make a simple page with a modern grid and nested css without requiring a single third party library or js.

devs are just lazy.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

Devs are lazy but also product people and design request stuff that even modern CSS cannot do

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

devs are just lazy.

*cost-efficient. At this point it's a race to the bottom.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Have you ever built anything more complex with CSS and HTML5? It is a massive pain

[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

if im building something complex im using an actual server side language not a javascript framework

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 months ago
[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

no fallbacks is bad practice.

This is how you know they're extra lazy -- no "please enable javascript because we suck and have no noscript version".

[–] oddspinnaker9295@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It reminds me of flash when it first gained popularity.

“Please enable flash so you can see our unnecessary intro animation and flash-based interface” at, like, half of local restaurant websites

[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 months ago

people who don't know what graceful degradation is make me sad

[–] JustARaccoon@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

But they're not pdf/e-pub, they're live pages that support changing things in the DOM dynamically. I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be mean but people not wanting scripting on their sites are a niche inside a niche, so in terms of prioritising fixing things that's a very small audience with a very small ROI if done they might require a huge rewrite. It's just not financially feasible for not much of a reason other than puritan ones.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

More simple websites have some advantages like, less work to maintain, responsivity and accessibility by default.

Sure, what is already, that is. It starts already at choosing the frameworks.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 months ago

All modern browsers have Javascript enabled by default. A good dev targets and tests for mainstream systems.

[–] spicehoarder@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Personally, I love server-side rendering, I think it's the best way to ensure your content works the way YOU built it. However, offloading the processing to the client saves money, and makes sense if you're also planning on turning it into an electron app.

I feel it's better practice to use a DNS that blocks traffic for known telemetry and malware.

Personally, I used to blacklist all scripts and turn them on one at a time till I had the functionality I needed.

[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 months ago

please never turn anything into an electron app