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2024 Savings throw wording (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by kinther@lemmy.world to c/dnd@lemmy.world

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A saving throw—also called a save—represents an attempt to avoid or resist a threat. You normally make a saving throw only when a rule requires you to do so, but you can decide to fail the save without rolling. The result of a save is detailed in the effect that allowed it. If a target is forced to make a save and lacks the ability score used by it, the target automatically fails.

Page 373 of PHB 2024

Bolded section is what I am concerned with. Does this mean that if I am a Barbarian with Strength/Constitution saving throw proficiency, that I automatically fail when needing to perform a Dexterity saving throw (because I do not have the ability score used by it)? Example here would be the Fireball spell cast by an enemy.

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[–] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I can't speak to this ruleset, but for other rule sets I've interpreted that kind of thing as if the target has an ability score of 0, regardless of proficiencies or lack thereof. An unconscious person or an inanimate object, for example.

I'd presume you have a Dex value, just not a very good one.

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago

This. Ability "score" =/= "bonus".

[–] kinther@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

That was my initial thought as well. I'm probably overthinking it.

I've never sat at a table that would deny you the chance to roll to save if you didn't have proficiency in that ability - you just on average roll worse than someone who does have proficiency in that ability.