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Hey all. I'd like to open an official discussion regarding the upturning of the prior Hexbear party line on an :israel-cool: emote proper with the unambiguous Zionist flag.

I want to preface this by saying this is not in a 'ceding the issue' way. Over the past year I've been trying to engage in self-crit w/rt the chauvinism I've internalized growing up in a Liberal Zionist household, and my personal viewpoint on it did a 180 some months back, so I want to reopen this discussion proper in my personal capacities as Self-Appointed Emote Czar.

The reason it's taken long enough beyond that is prior to July, I was essentially half-engaged with the site in order to finish out my degree. After that, it’s been mostly inertia of confirming with the admins and other /c/Judaism mods, as well as having to be rigorous about my job search personally giving me little free time to coordinate this.

I do not want to center myself in this conversation more than I inadvertently already have, so I will leave my own opinion on the issue as a comment rather than explaining further here.

The consensus we've roughly come to is to open up the discussion in an official manner for a day or so. After that, I'll weigh the discussion in an entirely vibes-based manner (sorry Dean Norris enjoyers) and we'll alter Hexbear party line on it accordingly.

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[–] MohammedTheCommunistPalestinian@hexbear.net 41 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Unban Z poster

How are we supposed to know the mods aren't lying about him using alts in this case specifically

looking at the comments on this post its easy to see what the sentiment is regarding the issue ,the mods on the previous post labled people who supported Z as an alt even when it was clear they were not

[–] Staines@hexbear.net 38 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

The account that I use on my phone was banned for "metaposting", "ban evasion", and "personal vendetta" in this very thread. It's absolute proof that random accounts are being banned for being zposter alts. Nakoichi's personal vendetta is harming hexbear. It's time for him to go.

[–] MohammedTheCommunistPalestinian@hexbear.net 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Mods here love power tripping

they did last time too with the whole Dunk Tank struggle session

[–] CARCOSA@hexbear.net 20 points 1 month ago (3 children)

The dunk tank referred to a racist term in the united states and needed to go, the way the successor community was named/announced could have been done much better.

[–] WrongOnTheInternet@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Changing the name was fine, the issue was all the whining about site culture from the mods of the dunk community, the creation of the new "not really dunking but also dunking" and the 48 hours where everyone with an A lost their minds, including an admin stepping down, banning themselves as a bit, bringing TC69 back for 14 minutes before she imploded, the worst self crit ever posted, etc

[–] CARCOSA@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

100% was fucked up in the way you described, in large part because I was unavailable for an extended time due to not being near internet + getting sick.

[–] WrongOnTheInternet@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago

I think many places would have totally destroyed themselves, so that's something

[–] MohammedTheCommunistPalestinian@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No one was defending the term ,everyone was okay with a name change but the mods banned people anyways

[–] CARCOSA@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago

That is true, and while we tried to go back and unban those people it cannot restore the trust. Which was why we changed the procedure to discuss site changes instead of just doing them, although I do think we needed to have just added the emoji

[–] sadschmuck@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The dunk tank referred to a racist term in the united states and needed to go

There is no reason to assume that he doesn't know the context of what happened, and that he is indeed referring to "the way the successor community was named/announced" when he mentioned power tripping.

[–] CARCOSA@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

sure but those reading may not

[–] durings@hexbear.net 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah the term “personal vendetta” is incredibly laughable, especially coming from a user and mod team that has not earned the trust of its users. Have you ever considered that a user doesn’t like you because you make terrible takes? Or your needless childishness and hostility? It’s almost like you grow to dislike users who bring the website down. “Personal vendetta” implies this person knows you in real life and specifically targets you because of something you’ve done personally like interfere with a relationship or a bad joke you said, something that has nothing to do with leftist discussion, which I seriously doubt. Can we please stop assuming that our minority users are targeting people for reasons unrelated to the discussions at hand? Sounds an awful lot like police profiling

[–] Staines@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I trust the mod team to get there in the end.

[–] sadschmuck@hexbear.net 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Kicking and screaming data-laughing

This is intended as a lighthearted joke, but we gotta admit that almost nothing changes around here without a fucking struggle session.

[–] Elohimbo@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Maybe a user being "an asshole" all the time isn't so bad if this is what it took to get anything to change. Remember me well, I doubt they'll ever let me back but at least I could get this one concession on the way out. Every time you post the emoji, remember that z_poster died for this. Had to be sacrificed at the altar of compromise to the zionist faction that for some reason exists because mods couldn't just take a clean L.

[–] CARCOSA@hexbear.net 31 points 1 month ago

We can make the emoji have an alternate tag name ":z_poster_died_for_this:"

[–] durings@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago

I don’t but if they do it’ll be a pleasant surprise

[–] CARCOSA@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You are correct and I'm sorry for that. We will sort out any mistakenly banned accounts but he has said himself he uses alts so it can be confusing.

[–] Elohimbo@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No I said I have alts as back-ups for when you spuriously ban me over nonsense (as seen here). I never admitted to "using alts" in the way you are inferring

[–] CARCOSA@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Then why do your alts show up when looking at upvotes?

[–] Blockocheese@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Are upvotes on this thread being checked?

I thought that was only supposed to be used for "reactionary upvoting"

[–] CARCOSA@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

no but when people have admitted to having alts it can be used to see if there is vote manipulation or commenting to each other in a single post to help verify they are alts

[–] Blockocheese@hexbear.net 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So it was done but on different posts?

Is that why people were falsely accused of being z alts and banned or was it the combination of agreeing with z through comments and upvoting them?

[–] CARCOSA@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It was a combination of naming trend, upvote analysis, comments, and what zposter has said himself.

I've already unbanned some that were incorrectly banned and am more than happy to do so for others

[–] Elohimbo@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

which alts are those? SeekTheDeletion is the only alt I had used here for votes, and I did it after my main was banned. Oh and CogitoErgoCum, an old appeal account which you banned before I did anything at all, don't think I did any commenting or upvoting on that one. Then I've used this account obviously.

What other alt account do you think to be me? The other ones you banned were false positives and not me, just like zenz poster, leon treatsky, anon, sharia law z, etc.

[–] CARCOSA@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] CARCOSA@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Based on your statements and the vote analysis of many comments we determined these to be your alts:

BreathThroughTheTube [he/him]

CogitoErgoCum [she/her]

SeekTheDeletion [none/use name]

ShariaLawZ [he/him]

Z_Poster365 [none/use name]

anon_ascend [none/use name]

himbofication [none/use name]

z_poster420 [none/use name]

Zaxis_Praxis [none/use name]

A_Serbian_Milf [they/them]

Elohimbo [he/him]

Rogue_Ronin [comrade/them]

Does_KJU_Have_Drip [none/use name]

DonCheexote [he/him]

NewsEnjoyer [he/him]

You have used those alts not only to upvote your main, but also respond to it and make comments in the same post

[–] hellinkilla@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What does "looking at upvotes" entail?

[–] CARCOSA@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

He has admitted to doing so and has a history of doing it.

[–] MohammedTheCommunistPalestinian@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

He is using an alt in the comments (he refer to ZPoster as “I”) but the mods comments about certain accounts being alts of his are very suspicious

First of all ,the mods can lie and do what they want and we wouldn’t know cause we can’t see

The 2nd is that I don’t know if the site shows if someone has an alt ,it’s possible this isn’t even a feature

And the 3rd is that anyone can claim to be him even if it wasn’t (this one is far fetched I know but it’s still Technically possible)

For all I know on the previous post ,most people who were defending him were called alts by the mods which I tried not to interfere since the mods are ban happy ,I can’t tell if they were his accounts or not but the mods and certain users that were siding with the mods on that post were talking as if his position on the Israeli flag was unpopular when in reality the vast majority or the comments on this pinned post are clearly in his Favour

Also him doing ban evasion isn’t a thing against him if he’s banned for something he is correct on

[–] CARCOSA@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago

Sure we could but I would hope that most people believe us when we say that we don't. What reason to lie is there we love this site and the people who use it.

There is no site feature on the userside that shows alts, but there are some moderator tools that let us gather data to make an educated guess. Since they are guesses there is a chance someone may be banned incorrectly and I have and will continue to unban anyone banned in error. For him we have used a combination of post/comment voting, comments, and statements he has made to compile a list.