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[–] BodilessGaze@sh.itjust.works 42 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Huawei is Chinese. There's literally zero chance a European company like Codeberg is going to successfully collect from a company in China over a TOS violation.

[–] wischi@programming.dev 15 points 1 week ago

It's not even a company. It's a non-profit "eingetragener Verein". They have very limited resources, especially money because they purely live on membership fees and donations.

[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

True, but it can help limit the European AI scrapers too

[–] BodilessGaze@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I really doubt it. Lawsuits are expensive, and proving responsibility is difficult, since plausible deniability is easy. All scrapers need to do is use shared IPs (e.g. cloud providers), preferably owned by a company in a different legal jurisdiction. That could be the case here: a European company could be using Huawei Cloud to mask the source of their traffic.

[–] veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

All scrapers need to do is use shared IPs (e.g. cloud providers),

Simple: just charge the cloud provider.

Once that gets strong enough they'll start placing terms against scraping in their TOS.

[–] wischi@programming.dev 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

And then they just throw it in the bin because there was never a contract between you and them. What to do then? Sue Microsoft, Amazon and Google

I'm sure Codeberg, a German non-profit Verein, has time and money to do that 🤣.

[–] veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

Sure but that's a whole different part of the system. Society as a whole has to change (some guillotines would help) and no matter how cool Codeberg is, they can't do all that on their own.

In the meantime, what the elites visibly respond to and that is more readily accessible is monetary costs. Make it costly (operationally or legally) to scrape sites, and they'll stop if at least to whine.