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Should minors also be banned from Earth because it isn't a kid-friendly place either?
Don't misinterpret this, Internet safety is definitely important to teach and people being creepy like this is definitely a problem... but at the same time, the Internet also has a lot of useful content and knowledge on it too, and it feels too reactionary to deprive people of that just because of their age (cf. the UK attempting exactly that). If we're going to be banning anyone from the Internet, it should be the creeps who are making it a problem.
If it makes a difference to you, I was a minor with a Reddit account back then, didn't get creeped on, and I'm an adult on Hexbear now.
Ayyy, you know what? Thank you for being patient with me.
Thank you for being the rare productive
Thank you for taking the time to discuss constructively so that we could all come away learning from it. I really don't like this "protect the children" rhetoric that IMHO dehumanizes kids and teenagers by arguing for removing far too many rights from them, even when it isn't slippery sloped into affecting adults.
Who should be doing the allowing and monitoring? The sex offenders in government who repeatedly call for the age of consent to be lowered? Why should youth get collective punishment but nobody does anything to creeps?
Should the government do nothing but pass on information to parents who might not be monitoring? That seems like quite an invasion of privacy no matter how you pull that off... do adults who care about privacy have to be subject to whatever the government defines as "educational" and appropriate for children? You also risk taking away safe spaces from queer youth and youth in abusive families, and some parents just won't care anyways.
For the sake of argument, let's say some utopian socialist government managed to solve all of these questions, and more (e.g. how do we draw the line about "educational" and "abuse reporting", what should happen if a kid gets a hold of a careless adult's device, etc.) ... what happens when these people get "old enough" and now a generation of new adults are subject to the Internet in its entirety with no experience or no experience of a BS filter to manage it? Won't this create a host of new problems and people wanting to raise the limit further (e.g. "Who's letting these adult children use the Internet unrestricted at 18 anyways? We shouldn't let them until they're developed 25 year olds...")
I'm actually curious how you would defend against that last example argument. Why should adults be trusted with the Internet? After all, they seemingly can't help but pretend to be minors and be creepy, can they?
Truly, there is too much nuance, and a one big beautiful ban on all minors won't solve everything.
Monitored by whom? Their parents? Oops, you just outed a bunch of trans kids to their kkkristian parents and now they're being shipped off to "troubled teen" camps to be abused.
Fucking hell. What would you suggest?
Stop falling for the kkkristians' "protect the children" tricks, remember that almost all CSA is still done by "trusted adults" like parents and preachers, and leave the internet at a button everybody clicks that says I Am Definitely Over 18.
Explain youself. Is minors watching porn a good thing now? I am from a quite traditional country.
They also went after furry content (which they also include stuff like fantasy races like humans with cat ears for some reason?). Pretty sure it's still banned from Itch dot io. Most of those were not even porn or sexual, just games and VNs with LGBTQ+ content.
Truly, American Evangelicals have too much power.
The US goverment have been spreading this religion/ideology in the Global South, just look at Guatemala or Brazil.
Oh no. I'd love to share my hatred for the church with you, but I'm afraid that my personal experience will get me doxed.
Yeah, that makes sense. I don't agree with the Christians, but I do get that the paranoia could be used like that.
Minors watching porn is a better thing than letting kkkristians' define what porn is, then keeping minors from watching it. Because kkkristians define literally all LGBTQ and also literally all sex education content as pornographic.
Yeah, I guess. P.S. What about the separation of church and state though? I though you Amerikaners had it.
Sure, we have it, just like we have a free press.
You wanna buy a bridge?
Ooooh. America is one fucked up place.
The Great Satan, baybee
Friendly neighborhood asexual here. Please don't take this the wrong way, I'd actually like genuine answers to this.
Is adults watching porn a good thing now? I've heard a lot about porn addiction and people's brains getting fried by it so to speak. Why do people want to watch it so much anyways?
Fair enough, it wouldn't surprise me if they were overexaggerating whatever actual cases of addiction there might be to try to push their agenda
I apologize for my framing, which intended to get some actual answers as an outsider as to why people get so touchy about teenagers who have the same feelings of sexual attraction doing the exact same things with their sexualities as adults ... if it's so bad for teenagers to do it, surely the same should apply to adults, right? My takeaway from this is that this is just fash being fash and it's probably not really problematic for either, provided that society also needs to give proper sex ed so that people can develop a BS filter to discern fact from fiction.
I'm actually grateful for this last example because I can actually forget that erotic stories are also pornographic content — another layer removed from having to imagine visualizing it can help with the repulsion to be able to see the topic more clearly.
True.
Same. There were only some teachers that did teach us some stuff, and did give us advices like: "Porn is not like real life sex or relationship, don't base your expectations on that." A good thing that happened in my school is that since most classes had more female students than males, most male students were respectful and nice to the female students and teachers (there were bad students but those were very few). Though homophobia (specially towards gay men) was still huge back then (not just in school but in society itself).
Thats nice.
I'm being genuine. I think thats nice and cool.
Remember that "porn addict" is also an accusation leveled at trans women by TERFs
I absolutely agree that oversexualization of trans people is deeply problematic.
That has to do much more with the background radiation of queerphobia and misogyny, which generated both the heavily misogynistic porn and only sees trans women if they're legible as a sexual object.
While I don't think adults watching porn is a bad thing, it's quite clear that some people get addicted to it which is bad (besides the fact the porn industry is fucked up).
I guess it's an easy way to see a fantasy of theirs, and is easy gratification, but idk.
Ayyy, you know what though? Agreed. UNLIMITED GENOCIDE ON GOONERS.
P.S. This is a joke.