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submitted 11 months ago by kevincox@lemmy.ml to c/linux@lemmy.ml

I'm reconsidering my terminal emulator and was curious what everyone was using.

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[-] silva@beehaw.org 17 points 11 months ago

When I'm using a tiling window manager, I use kitty, because I like its speed and support for font ligatures. When I'm using a Desktop Environment like Gnome or KDE I usually don't use the terminal at all, but if I need it, I use the default emulator.

[-] Crul@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago

Sorry for the off-topic question, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around basic linux concepts: you use "tiling window manager" and "desktop environment" as if they were mutually exclusive options. What's the relationship between them?

Thanks!

[-] silva@beehaw.org 9 points 11 months ago

I don't know if I'm correct, but in my head, a window manager JUST manages windows. Gnome and KDE also manage windows, but they also contain applications for settings, printing, etc. Desktop Environments also have window managers, but they have more applications on top.

[-] Crul@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

So, just to check I understood:

  • "[Tiling] Window Managers" are a very specific tool.
  • "Desktop Environments" are broader tools that (may?) contain Window Managers.

Now... the next questions (if you have the patience :P) are:

  • is is possible to use a Window Manager without a Desktop Environment?
  • how does this influence your choose for the terminal emulator? Ó_ò

Thanks for the answers!

[-] silva@beehaw.org 3 points 11 months ago
  • Yes, you can absolutely use a WM without a DE. A DE is usually just a set of preconfigured and pre-installed applications. If you use a WM like i3 etc. you just get something that draws windows, and no settings and bluetooth applications
  • It influences my choosing because window managers usually don't come with a terminal, and you have to manually install a terminal emulator. But on desktop environments I use the default terminal, although I could also install kitty.
[-] Crul@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

Oooh... I see. I didn't understand how broad the Desktop Env really are. Is not that they manage "a lot of things regarding the desktop and windows"... is just like a bundle of apps.

Now it's starting to sound like a sub-distro inside the distros, but I think this is a good point to stop bothering you. Thanks again!

[-] kat@feddit.nl 2 points 11 months ago

For most people, a different desktop environment probably makes a bigger difference than a different distro. They won't notice things like a different package manager

[-] silva@beehaw.org 2 points 11 months ago

You're welcome!

[-] LeFantome@programming.dev 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Window Managers manage windows as the name suggests and control how they are displayed and interacted with. A window manager is one component of a desktop environment which provides other facilities like compositors, task bars, status trays, task switchers, configuration applets, virtual desktops, and perhaps some default applications for basic things like terminal, file management, text editing, connection management, and image viewing. Some desktop environments feature extensive plug-in systems ( extensions ) and vast application ecosystems.

In the early days of Linux, there were no “desktop environments” and you would run a window manager directly over the window server ( eg. X11 ) with applications running directly over the WM. Proprietary UNIX introduced desktop environments like CDE, OpenWindows, and NeXTstep but, as they were proprietary, Linux lacked them. This changed with the advent of KDE and GNOME soon after. These days, the vast majority of Linux users are working with a desktop environment ( probably still one of these two though there are now others ).

A timing window manager in particular is a window manager that allows auto arranging and resizing applications to share the screen ( typically using keyboard commands ). The goal of a tiling window manager is that application views do not overlap and that the full desktop space is used efficiently. A floating window manager in contrast allows windows to overlap and leaves positioning, resizing, visibility, and focus up to the user. The desktop itself may be plainly visible and may even have clickable icons or applets displayed on it. Interaction with windows in a floating window manager is usually done with the mouse. Windows and Mac are examples of the floating metaphor so that is the one most of us are more familiar with. Any given window manager can incorporate both floating and tiling ideas and features but most WMs lean pretty heavily one way or the other.

Technically, a window manager is just a special kind of application. In X11, it is not even required. You can run applications directly without one but, if you run more than one application, you will quickly understand the value of a window manager. The value of a full desktop environment is more a matter of preference. Most people welcome them or consider them essential. Others see DEs as bloat. The middle ground is assembling a desktop experience yourself from a group of applications you select for that purpose from the window manager up.

[-] sxan@midwest.social 2 points 11 months ago

A really nice reply. Comprehensive, without being loquacious. Most importantly, accurate. Nicely written; replies like this are a joy to come across.

[-] kariboka@bolha.forum 1 points 11 months ago

Silva? Are you Portuguese or Brazilian?

[-] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

Quase que achei que fosse tuga

[-] kariboka@bolha.forum 2 points 11 months ago

kkkkk mais um!

[-] silva@beehaw.org 2 points 11 months ago

Neither, actually. I don't know why I call myself silva, but that's not my real name.

[-] kariboka@bolha.forum 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Lol thats a common surname here in Brazil. It means jungle in latin so the priests used to give this surname to converted natives.

[-] sxan@midwest.social 2 points 11 months ago

Interesting. In English, "Silvan" mean a spirit that lives in the woods. It's often used in literature as a synonym for "elves."

[-] kariboka@bolha.forum 1 points 11 months ago
[-] sxan@midwest.social 2 points 11 months ago

That's what I was thinking, but I noped out of a linguistics minor after a year when I realized it was never going to turn into "learning a bunch of languages" and was instead spending all your time doing sentance diagramming.

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