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When reading through Marx I can't help but think that capitalism has gotten even worse today than it used to be back then, meaning that the actual mechanisms that drive capital now need much more exploitation and in more forms than they used to.

Also I wonder if some changes of capitalism have also caused the working class to be so completely numb. Workers of the 19th and 20th century knew that the capitalists have opposite needs to them and only through fighting them could they stand to improve their situation. However today people just seem uninterested to really fight for themselves despite the proletariat being a much larger percentage of society compared to the past. I know I'm leaving out some important struggles going on when I'm saying this, but it still makes me wonder what made workers in the past centuries so much more class conscious.

I don't believe that much, if anything, that Marx critiqued about capitalism has changed on a structural level, but the flow of capital is so complex today, and the collected capital has become so much larger, that it begs the question if this has created some superstructures of capitalism today.

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[–] sodium_nitride@hexbear.net 33 points 1 month ago (2 children)
  1. Modern capitalism exists in a world where the soviet union and the socialist challenge existed. That forced them to devise new and improved methods of suppressing worker movements.

  2. A big difference is the existence of world-historic economic distortions, namely the existence of a world scale chronic exporter (China) and world scale chronic importers (USA), where the capitalist powers have become massively dependant on (and technologically inferior to) a socialist power.

  3. The third difference is that the trends that marx saw appear in the latter half of his life such as joint-stock companies, monopolies, vertical integration and the like have now become the utter norm. Although capitalism had become highly monopolised even as far back as lenin's time.

  4. Capitalism had literally run into its thermodynamic limits. It is a system fueled by fossil fuels and the literal engines of capitalism are literally overheating and running out of fuel. We aren't fully there yet, but we will be sooner rather than latter.

[–] TerminalEncounter@hexbear.net 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If aliens looked at our planet, the only meaningful thing they can say our civilization produces is more and more CO2 in the atmosphere and more and more farmland for pigs and cows. It looks like total nonsense at a birds eye view

[–] Krem@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

they'd assume it's a messed-up low tech terraforming project to heat up the atmosphere utilizing big farting land mammals, covering large amounts of land in sunlight-absorbing black paste, and literally just setting a bunch of shit on fire

[–] Des@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago

we are paving the way for our descendants, the people of plastic, which will have transcended organic life

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 21 points 1 month ago

Capitalism had literally run into its thermodynamic limits.

Thanks for reminding me to finish Fossil Capital! I gotta get back into reading wtf