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Sure could've fooled me on every site that isn't an alt-right hate speech platform. People fucking love the guy even though he has a racist history that he seems to be trying half-heartedly trying to make up for today. Even Kamala Harris admitted that his racist policies affected her. An 80 year old man should not be in the White House.
It's childish to expect the President to be able to read a teleprompter and to expect freedom in a country that bills itself as "the land of the free"? There was a whole litany of issues that was caused by the covid lockdowns, like domestic violence, alcoholism, stunted development in children, people being unable to say goodbye to their dying friends and family members, mental health, and supply chain disruptions. And the government declaring what is "essential" or not is classic fascism. What was really telling to me is how many democrats set restrictions in their areas and then either just didn't follow them or went on vacation somewhere like Florida so they didn't have to wear a mask or lock down. "Rules for thee but not for me" is classic fascism, dude.
And the only alternative is a cult that tried to overthrow the government in 2021. Both sides are different breeds of fascism at this point. It's fucked up.
I don't know what to tell you. We went through the process, a majority voted for him both in the primary and general elections and now he's President. In another year we will go out and do it again. I'm not looking for a deity or idol. I'm looking for an experienced person to not fuck it up. He meets that criteria fine, and I have more important races to care about at the state and local levels where there are still seats to be flipped.
What's your point? It would have been better to do nothing about Covid? Over a Million people died with pre-vaccine restrictions. Anyway it's looked at, given the information and resources we had at the time there was a net savings of life even factoring in loss of life as result of the economic downturn. We are now in a much better place with emergency preparation, and vaccine technology so we likely won't be doing anything as drastic in the future.
I can only really remember Gavin Newsome and Nancy Pelosi being photographed without masks, I have no problem criticizing them for not.
It's absolutely ridiculous to make a same sides argument over Wearing masks and an attempted coup. The latter is the worst thing to happen to the country in our life times bar none. Everything pales in comparison.
The government declaring what's essential and what's not is a scary proposition and with the current political climate, ripe for abuse. And if people keep thinking this is a rational thing to do, this will keep happening.
They're talking about bringing back covid restrictions in the United States. Plenty of people are having lockdown nostalgia. This is going to repeat itself because unfortunately, the current options are the politicians who enacted these fascist policies, or a party that's trying to stage a coup (again, fascism). And Bill Gates says this is going to happen every 10 years going forward. He's rich enough to make it happen.
They weren't the only ones. A few politicians in my state enacted covid restrictions then were seen and photographed in other areas so they didn't have to abide by THEIR OWN RULES.
I'm not talking about wearing masks. I'm talking about the Democrat governors and mayors shutting parks and businesses down and telling people they can't see their friends and families, while they're going out and doing the very things they told everybody else not to do. Once politicians take away freedom, they seldom give it back for long. Both sides know enough people are gullible enough to fall for their antics.
If anyone thinks that democrats gave two shits about covid, let me remind you that large gatherings were allowed and endorsed by them for causes they agreed with in mid-2020. This doesn't tell me they cared about covid. It tells me they're becoming the fascists they pretend to hate.
What would you have them done otherwise? Difficult decisions had to be made, and locking everyone down is impossible. Like it or not there are essential workers. They should have gotten major hazard pay imo. There’s no one else to make that call but government. Sure it can be abused, but that’s true of anything always.
Are you reading conspiracy theories? https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-lockdown-masks-tsa-445214096334
Everyone should abide by the rules in place, especially those that vote for the restricts. I agree with you 100%
You are conflating a lot of things with your last point. The early lockdowns were in late March and April, and the gatherings were protests in the Summer. The initial lock downs were during a time of limited to no knowledge on what we were dealing with. Wearing masks and staying inside are pretty much standard pandemic response. By the summer we had much more information indicating that spread was mostly done indoors. I don’t know what events you’re talking about during lockdowns but I can only imagine your talking about the George Floyd protests, and those are different. They did however seem to suggest that outdoor transmission wasn’t happening as there were never any major links found.
The kind of governmental abuse you are worried about can literally happen for any reason anytime. Health emergency restrictions weren’t new for Covid 19. I think you’re falling victim to online conspiracy theories and propaganda given the link I posted above.
The lockdowns and restrictions on gatherings lasted much longer than just March and April of 2020 in Democrat-led areas. States like Illinois, California, and New York had restrictions on gatherings through the end of 2020 and into 2021. I'm sure my own state would have had lockdowns lasting that long if the Republicans hadn't fought the Democrat governor. But of course, protests the Democrats were in favor of were always exempt from covid restrictions.
I'm not buying the argument that Democrats actually cared about covid. I honestly used to lean left until I saw how democrats abused their power during the pandemic. This will all happen again with the next virus. Mark my words.
Restrictions were still in place but not lockdowns. You can’t conflate the two. I don’t know when the restrictions were lifted in my state because I was still adhering to them until after I got vaccinated, and even then it was some time after that until I went back to normal. It’s clear you didn’t like lockdowns; I have no answer for you. Hospitals were at capacity and they had to bring in refrigerated trucks to store dead bodies. They did what they had to do to keep the healthcare system afloat. All the domestic violence, and depression, etc thst you talked about for those locked down applies to healthcare workers that were extremely overworked and in danger constantly. Lockdowns and later restrictions kept the numbers down for them too.
Republican Governor's just let people die.
Are you kidding me? You think Democrats abused their power during Covid? Who was President in 2020 during lockdowns again? Who attempted a coup when he lost?
If we need to lockdown again due to a new virus we know nothing about we should. End of story.
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