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[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (18 children)

As much as I enjoy saying Fuck Cars, this person is just wrong. They're making some fundamental assumptions that are wrong to base their argument on.

Transit doesn't work in low-density locations.

It's great in Tokyo or Hong Kong, but if you've ever been to one of those cities and the compare it to somewhere like Seattle, you'll know they're fundamentally different. The Seattle Metro Area is 15,000km^2, Metro Tokyo is 13,500km^2. Metro Tokyo is 40 million people, Metro Seattle is 4 million people.

That doesn't mean there aren't locations in Metro Seattle where a transit application work best, but they're just extremely limited. Most other American cities are the same. The ones that are better suited to transit(more higher density areas) already have more of it (like New York)

Autonomous cars will improve the transit situation in lower density locations until the density exists to support mass transit.

[–] sylveon@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The reason why American cities are low density is because they were built for cars. Or destroyed for cars. But American car-dependent suburbia is not financially sustainable. Car infrastructure isn't just absolutely miserable, it's also extremely inefficient in terms of both cost and space. Self-driving cars or electric cars won't solve this. America needs to learn how to build cities properly again.

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 14 points 1 year ago

This.

Everyone shrieks that we can't just tear down cities for public infrastructure and higher density, but completely refuse to acknowledge that that's EXACTLY what we did for cars.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

They weren't built for cars, they were built for single family homes with yards. Cars are just required for that level of density.

A lot of people don't want to live in cities, because it means giving up the house and yard.

That isn't a horrible opinion, but it does drive up prices near cities because of inefficient land use.

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