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[–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Who fucking cares? What is it going to do really? There has been so much publicity of their relationship, it doesn't change anything. Will it result in charges against Trump? Unlikely, the only one I know of who was willing to put herself and her family at risk, is dead (suicide).

His supporters will find a way to excuse anything away. There could be a picture of Trump assaulting a young teen and they would just say it's not his fault she looked older than she was.

To those in this thread saying anything released shouldn't be redacted, remember there were victims, this wasn't just Jeff and Don having a brobait with each other.

I'm sick of the Democrats and their shitty platitudes, because that's all this is. Demand compassion and due process for the millions being terrified by federally protected kidnappers. Demand that Republicans meet to discuss the phasing out of some of the TPS rules (temporary is in the name and just because there is an EO doesn't mean there can't be a law that changes it). Demand that we stop defending the atrocities of megalomaniacs around the world. Demand that the legislative branch takes back the power of the purse and writes laws to affect trade.

Might be the only time I agree with the ball of congealed Cheeto vomit, but why the fuck are we still talking about Epstein?

[–] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Everyone here will complain no matter what the dems do, especially after not giving them power to do anything tangible.

[–] Ruxias@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Apologists forget that Dems held majority at various times and squandered it.

They had their time to be good people and do the right things. Instead they paved way for fascism in their service to capital.

Everyone complaining about the various things the Dems do is reflective of people seeing them for the farce that they are. In essence, they are controlled resistance - a black hole to swallow up progressive movements and snuff them out before it threatens anything economically.

[–] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Let's see- passed the ACA which wasn't great but did so with the bare majority they had. IRA during Biden which passed by the skin of its teeth. Of course DoJ should've done way more, etc. but that, forgiving as much student loans as Biden could, IRA was the biggest climate bill ever, etc.

Sure- it wasn't perfect but I don't think they "squandered" it at all.

But hey- it obviously wasn't enough so it was only right to not vote in LOCAL primaries, etc. and not vote in the general election for Democrats so the Republicans could take yet another wrecking ball to everything. SURELY the goals of liberals and progressives are much closer now that Republicans have power again.

[–] Ruxias@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

We can argue about what is "squandered" or not, but ultimately it's a subjective word.

To the point of Dems being controlled opposition and relating your example of the ACA: single payer was always an option and one that people were interested in, but capital interests (whom both parties serve) decided it wasn't going to happen. Then an "American" solution was devised (ACA) which attempted to improve some things. So we got neither of the supposed benefits of either model, and instead ended up with more of a convoluted system that has the alleged benefits of neither. Ultimately it did nothing to alter the course of the healthcare system at large, and here we are in 2025 and the system remains as a tool to extract profit from sick people. People still choose between medicine or rent or food in this country.

Sure ACA doesn't allow the pre-existing condition thing that insurers did for a long time. But the mandate to get people insured made dollar signs pop into the eyes of capitalists. Overall, they saw a situation where they came out ahead, so that's what they allowed to happen.

These laws are passed in the interest of capital first, politics second, and common people third. It's the common trends of agency capture, lobbying, campaign donations, regulatory mingling, privatization, and many other practices that exemplify this as the de facto standard that both of the major parties participate in. And this is how they pave the way for fascism - by encouraging and playing along with the ongoing fusion of state and capital. Both parties drop bombs on brown kids, both build cages and walls (literally and figuratively), both seek to extract wealth from the rest of the world, both subsidize private industry, and both are completely fine with the wealthy and powerful dictating or influencing almost every aspect of our lives in pursuit of profit.

So yeah, it's squandered opportunity in my eyes because in the grand scheme of things Democrats seek to appease an advantaged class (not you and me) to the detriment of a disadvantaged class.

And I know you'll be looking around for an example here and there to defend these politicians - save your energy. You need to look at the common trajectory of both of these parties. You can find examples of Republicans doing a good thing or two here and there as well. But again, when the chips are down they'll all side with the forces that wanna squeeze every drop of blood from every turnip in this world. When tensions rise they might throw you a bone or two to keep you quiet and going to work - after all, someone's gotta build those bombs and guns and it sure as hell isn't gonna be them.

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