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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

His reich was xtian,

That there were very deep and serious strains of neopaganism and atheism in Nazi Germany that were exceptional by the standards of the time and the region is likewise well-documented. Not even getting into 'positive Christianity'.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca -1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

There are serious threads of neopaganism in evangelical Christianity now – just look at ‘crunchy moms’.

I feel like my original point has been lost. I’m specifically speaking against the ‘no true Scotsman’ thing we’re seeing, and how that thinking is leading many people to accidentally cheerlead for the very forces that are ripping us apart.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

There are serious threads of neopaganism in evangelical Christianity now – just look at ‘crunchy moms’.

That's... not even close.

Really, look into the religious practices of Nazi institutions and high-ranking Nazis.

I feel like my original point has been lost. I’m specifically speaking against the ‘no true Scotsman’ thing we’re seeing, and how that thinking is leading many people to accidentally cheerlead for the very forces that are ripping us apart.

There’s overwhelming evidence that Hitler was a staunch Christian

I’m sorry, but this reads as the many, many coping ‘readings’ that try to downplay his overt Christianity.

I get it, and I’m not trying to attack you, but this is just wrong.

He did not convert in the years after this quote, as can be evidenced by his favouring of the church up to the end days, the Catholic Church supporting his efforts due to mutual reciprocity, his integration of christian teachings and outright requirements into the Nazi requirements (including requirements for medals), continued iconography, etc.

I’m sorry if it hurts, but Hitler was a Christian, and you can’t say his own words don’t matter because a quote is from a few years before he took power.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca -3 points 7 hours ago

I don’t want to argue with you in this comment section, truly. I think we have very different perspectives on the same data, and I’m struggling to see exactly how we’re coming to loggerheads here.

In everything I’ve studied, including extensive reading of his personal and professional writings (I was obsessed for a while when I was younger), I’ve come to the conclusion that Hitler was a Christian. I am nowhere near alone in this. It’s late and I’m tired, so whatever, I’ll concede this point.

I don’t get why you want to argue about the rest with me? I’ve seen your name here a lot and you seem like a cool dude. If you want to continue this with me, I guess I’m game, but tomorrow.