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I feel like I understand communist theory pretty well at a basic level, and I believe in it, but I just don't see what part of it requires belief in an objective world of matter. I don't believe in matter and I'm still a communist. And it seems that in the 21st century most people believe in materialism but not communism. What part of "people should have access to the stuff they need to live" requires believing that such stuff is real? After all, there are nonmaterial industries and they still need communism. Workers in the music industry are producing something that nearly everyone can agree only exists in our heads. And they're still exploited by capital, despite musical instruments being relatively cheap these days, because capital owns the system of distribution networks and access to consumers that is the means of profitability for music. Spotify isn't material, it's a computer program. It's information. It's a thoughtform. Yet it's still a means of production that ought to be seized for the liberation of the musician worker. What does materialism have to do with any of this?

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[–] mah@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (15 children)

so you are not a marxist, bye lol :)

i'm joking. but you really need to read about marxism.

What does everything you just said have to do with communism?

It's the very basics of our theory. and it's basically what i told you before.

ofc, you can believe in socialism without being a marxist. You might be interested in reading Polanyi for example.

[–] DroneRights@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (14 children)

No, I do understand everything you just said, I just think it's wrong and that a properly communist analysis would demonstrate that. Are you telling me that historical materialism is just one of multiple ways of arriving at communist conclusions?

[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Half an hour ago, you didn't know what historical materialism meant. You are in no position to tell anyone what a "properly communist analysis" would demonstrate.

No investigation, no right to speak.

[–] mah@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

i think they must be very young, no need to be hostile :)

i find this whole discussion kinda cute to be honest...

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