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Microsoft has long wanted to get vendors out of the kernel. It's a huge privacy/security/stability risk, and causes major issues like the Crowdstrike outage.

Most of those issues also apply to kernel anti-cheat as well, and it's likely that Microsoft will also attempt to move anti-cheat vendors out of kernel space. The biggest gaming issues with steamOS/Linux are kernel anti-cheat not working, so this could be huge for having full compatibility of multiplayer games on Linux.

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[–] MoogleMaestro@lemmy.zip 56 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Yes,

but game companies also want to spy on you and potentially sell your data. Even if they aren't selling it, the ability to do so increases the value to investors. This is the way tech companies talk about invasive software in general, FWIW.

[–] derin@lemmy.beru.co 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Can you name an instance of a game company doing that?

[–] anzo@programming.dev 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Data brokers do exist... Who they buy from is the only privacy they respect. You know, capitalism.

[–] derin@lemmy.beru.co 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So by that logic we shouldn't be downloading any precompiled binaries from the net - they could all be spying on us!

[–] anzo@programming.dev 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

a binary and a kernel module are not the same. And I was talking about business practices that are known. But nevermind, that was before I understood you are just trolling. Now I'll simply wish you a wonderful reddit experience.

[–] derin@lemmy.beru.co 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not trolling at all. I'm a game developer, so I was curious to hear about instances of game devs using kernel level anticheat to harvest people's personal (and identifiable) data to sell to data brokers.

Glad to know there aren't any examples of it outside of people screaming about capitalism - which is, let's be honest, quite indicative of the Lemmy experience these days.

[–] anzo@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

As for actual kernel anticheat software siphoning out data, again, it's something that we should not immediatly dismiss... The lack of evidence is not entirely on either side of this sudden 'you vs. me'

Acxiom does sell a package of "Gaming" data. Probably coming from mobile phones for the most part, since that's where most Studios are more aggressive (even towards children, see Tilting Point Media LLC settlement last year)

Again, knowing which Studios are selling data (identifiable or not) is impossible if no Court interferes.

I was only trying to make the point that it is feasible... That's why I referred you to recall that "capitalism bad yadda yadda.."