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They aren't going to let you see the unenthusiastic ones.
They don’t censor foreign internet in Israel. Protesters of the regime can be heard from on the outside, there just aren’t that many of them.
If you’re forced to live in Israel you won’t be publicly voicing your opinions if they’re against the norm. One of the worst insults is “deserter” for those that did not wish to serve and “leftist” if you go against the murder of innocent people. Sadly being one or the other means problems for you down the road when trying to find a job and generally living a life here. It’s a small country, word gets around quickly and you still have to live here if you don’t have any other citizenship.
Your evidence supports that there are members of the IDF who are enthusiastically engaged with what they're doing. I am not debating that- i think you're right.
But it's important to remember this absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just because you haven't seen interviews of IDF members objecting to what they are doing does not mean those members do not exist. I would expect the IDF to have systems in place to minimize the external visibility if any such objections, which makes a generalization like that dangerous.
Important point
Genocide is bad and you are right
It would be a logical fallacy to jump to such a conclusion without interviewing a randomly sampled and much larger population. It is possible you may be correct or incorrect, but you are jumping to a conclusion about a topic with insufficient data to do so.
If your sample is heavily biased, then the data from it is worthless.
Nah, I'm not going to argue science and statistics with someone who clearly understands neither.
Going through these comments you've not presented one scientific or statistical argument. You're basically going on vibes.
They haven't made any numerical claim. The argument against biased data is a fundamental one. Arguing that someone's methodology is wrong is not arguing that the opposite of the conclusion is true. They are just saying "Facebook research don't count". I don't know what statistical evidence you need for "Facebook research don't count".
I've only responded to you twice. Once to tell you that a biased sample set provides garbage data, and again to tell you I wouldn't be arguing with someone who didn't understand the core concepts of the conversation.
The vibes thing is quite the projection, though.
Considering this is the first time you've responded to me at all I think maybe I don't trust your ability to judge Core Concepts of a conversation.
The beautiful irony here is that you are believing in and spreading IDF propaganda for them.
There's been multiple polls that show the vast majority of Israelis are behind the genocide of the Palestinians. To think the IDF thinks anything differently is absurd. These people arguing with you are living in a fantasy world.
I still think it's basically brainwshing by government propaganda.
Brainwashing can only go so far. At some point, (such as targeting civilian children) any sane soldier will crack and say “No”.
Even if it were the case that they didn't want to be there, "just following orders" is not an acceptable excuse for committing a genocide. The morally correct thing to do if you're compelled to service in the IDF is to refuse and face the consequences, because they cannot be worse than the moral injury of being tasked with the murder of innocent children.
If I was a news agency with an agenda I wouldn’t be broadcasting the interviews that are negative either. Those you will find on foreign TV channels, 10-20 years from now after those who are currently serving finish their mandatory service and immigrate elsewhere. Every once in a while some event happens which becomes difficult to cover up. Like the Pilot Letters from 2003 and 2023, but it is the exception rather then the norm.
Even for the ones compelled to be there who have little (not no) choice, it doesn't mean the IDF isn't a terrorist organization. Other terrorist groups use force to get soldiers, yet we don't pull our punches calling them out.
There are older documentaries where older IDF recount war crimes and being proud of it.. this been going since the creation of this project .. the two main forces that created the IDF are UK Registered terrorist organization.
Brainwashed by religion and nationalism
My friend, it's really important that you get the subjects correct. We were talking about Israeli soldiers here, and even if you generalize, Israelis. We are not talking about Jewish people on the whole.