El Chisme

Yes, helping them see the bigger picture is beneficial - you are right. But I think right at the outset it's important to determine whether you and the other person are even on the "same team" so to speak. If they can agree to opposing their own empire first and foremost, I'm willing to have further discussions later to get into the weeds of history and analysis and understand things better. However, if you cannot get them to agree to opposing American empire first and foremost, and they insist on continuing their chauvinistic attacks on "enemies" then this person is not on "your team". You can never come to an understanding with such a person until you get them to accept the primary and first axiom, their revolutionary defeatist duty, that they are part of the evil empire and must oppose it first and foremost.