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Ubuntu Joins the Movement: X11 Officially Being Phased Out (linuxiac.com)

submitted 3 months ago by Sunshine@lemmy.ca to c/linux@programming.dev

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[–] MITM0@lemmy.world -5 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Do you people ever think that Wayland is being sorta shoved down our throats ?

PipeWire wasn't

[–] secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Waylands initial release was 2008... I don't think so at all...

Pipewire was released in like 2017 but the transition was a lot smoother than Wayland so that's probably way it feels like that.

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago

Perhaps

[–] darksiderbun@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I’ve been waiting for Wayland to take over since like 2011 or some ancient time like that. I’m just glad it’s finally got some traction tbh.

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Maybe we should wait until Wayland is more mature (Like having proper accesibility) ?

[–] darksiderbun@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 months ago

I am unaware of the current goings on, but tentatively yeah. Don’t force switch everyone to Wayland without taking care of accessibility features first.

[–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

wayland is a major overhaul that massively improves things dev-side, security-side and hardware-support side, pipewire is not nearly as important of a change, and pulse wasn't nearly as horrible as x11

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

No it doesn't, at least not yet, it's half-complete & it's being pushed on us a little too aggressively inspite of the fact that again it's not fully mature & calling X11 horrible is a bit too dramatic on your part.

I can't put it in words but it seems a bit odd.

[–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Half complete is a nonsense claim, all that's missing is better accessibility and some xdotool stuff. I'd go so far as to say that it's x11 that's half complete.

x11 is horrible... no way to support mixed refreshrate/dpi displays because it's fundamentally against the design, as well as no model whatsoever for security... yeah, wayland needs accessibility sure but at least it isn't fundamentally broken.

any app being able to keylog and screenread is my standard of a horrible model.

if you don't need accessibility stuff or an extremely small subset of xdotool functionality (see kdotool) it's better and safer in every way.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yes and no

This only applies to the gnome for now.

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

But it's happening in KDE as well

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Not as of yet

KDE still has some bugs to work out