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[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 10 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Imagine California, Oregon, and Washington form a pact, with the Rockies giving them a natural protective barrier. Then they form an alliance with Canada and Mexico, and surround 2/3 of the United States with hostile powers, who also control ALL shipping into the West Coast. If MAGA America wants their goods from Asia, they'll have to pay California's tariffs on EVERYTHING.

Or, they could route everything through the Panama Canal, with all the extra costs associated with that. Perhaps CA/OR/WA can form an alliance with Panama, and close it to MAGA America shipping.

[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 6 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

That's honestly the best case scenario. As unlikely as it is.

This country is too big. Too corrupt. And far too corrupted to fix. To begin to fix this country we have to get both houses of congress and the president to overturn Citizens United. Now how many of those people do you think are going to vote to make the bribes being paid to them illegal?

Now if for whatever reason the US was to balkanize. To break up into smaller "nation states". That would make real change a whole lot more viable.

[–] Guns0rWeD13@lemmy.world 1 points 20 minutes ago

the best case scenario is the one putin wants? how about we get our shit together, purge the fucking conservatives, and live happily ever after?

[–] Manmoth@lemmy.ml 1 points 34 minutes ago (1 children)

This point is often dismissed but the United States really does need "a divorce". At least a return to pre-civil war state sovereignty where incompatible ideologies can each find their home.

[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 1 points 13 minutes ago

I don't want a soft landing. I want it to crash and burn so hard that the very idea of preserving any part of it is anathema. I want all the corrupt power structures that ruined us to be actively eliminated. Leave the failed experiment where it belongs. In the history books. Learn the lessons of its fall. Make something better. Which is an exceptionally low bar.

It really isn't hard. Put the welfare of the mass of the people first and foremost. "Mass" meaning the whole. All the people. Otherwise what's the point of a government at all? Don't recreate a society of slaves that serves a tiny fraction of a tiny fraction of the most wealthy parasites. Value human life beyond its utility to an oligarchy. Set a floor on standard of life. A base level that people can't fall below and can build off of. Or not. If they want to just live their life let them.

[–] spicehoarder@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Wait, your flair says you're a bot?

[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

What? How the fuck did I get flagged as a bot?

Edit - Whoops. I did that. Yesterday evening. Ticked the box in settings.