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our national guard and armed forces have a decision to make: us or them. this is your time to reject fascism.
Yeah. That's not a decision we have to worry about. They'll side with fascism. There is no question here.
Many who join lean conservative. Many are trump supporters. Don't forget the numbers that voted for him and continue to support him.
It's not going to be that easy.
I dunno about that. I served in the USMC and everyone was pretty left leaning in the sense of "why the fuck do I care about the color of the person covering me, we're all Marines."
Many people serving are also minorities from low income, using the military as a step to building a life. Those people didn't seem Republican to me.
Not really. The military is a lot more diverse than you probably realize. It's a big melting pot. So many stories of rural Americans raised in racist environments joining the military and being exposed to all kinds of people and realizing they grew up kind of fucked up.
Contrary to what the stereotype is. A lot of military people are pretty wise and worldly. Seeing different cultures and having to deal with the fallout of failed states. It's not like they're progressives or even Lefty's. But they're not MAGA or right either.
This is why they've been firing lots of officers as well. If nobody is aware, the trump government has been removing many many senior leadership in the military.
I think the move right now by the left is to build bridges for people on the right who have spent their life fearing this type of action. Need to leave open the possibility that there are people on the right who understand this isn't good. Obviously there's the trump zealots. But I bet there's a group of right wingers whose fear of government over reach supersedes support for Trump. Groups like the heritage foundation will increase not activity to suppress that mentally among them. But I think we'll start seeing them speak up if we listen.
You might be right, and I hope you are. But I'm also at least partially right too. There are far right conservatives in the military, many of them (even if not the majority, a big enough minority).
The main sentiment of my comment was people like us going about our day to day hoping the military will "do the right thing", effectively disobey orders maybe? Disobey the president? Isn't it ingrained into them to not do that?
Its not going to be that easy.
It’s not going to be easy, especially for those individual servicepeople who have to make the decision about whether to follow orders or not.
It’s important to spread the message far and wide that they are not alone, that there is widespread support for them making that decision.
This right here. Disobeying orders is hard, and upholding one's oath when being told from all sides is hard, especially when friends and colleagues are going along with it. You don't want to be the squeaky wheel who makes trouble for everyone. It can become easy to think that you're alone if surrounded by people "just following orders." It's made harder still when considering that a single morally courageous action can throw away a career and potentially land you in the brig.
Especially when your paycheck and ability to stay free are at stake. I was an enlisted man. We were mostly poor as shit and many times all I had was the comfort i wasn't in jail. You disobey, you're on restriction at the very least depending on the scope.
I actually haven't met many conservative officers.
I have met formally conservative officers.
They have some of the best educations in the country
2020 was the first time in decades that the military tilted blue.
it doesn't matter how easy or difficult it will be it needs to be done. the alternative is unfathomable.
LoL! Of COURSE they'll Listen to the Man CUTTING their Benefits and Pay!