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I'm referring to people who vote, but they claim to be the 'reasonable' middle ground between Democrats and Republicans. They are right wingers who don't feel strongly one way or the other, because they are either completely ignorant about politics, or get their information from American mainstream media (pretty much the same thing).
Basically they have no real values and only know that they are satisfied with the status quo and will vote for whomever they think will maintain it. There is a lot of overlap between these pseudo-intellectuals and people who boot lick Musk.
I'm not a Democrat I'm a leftist, so I view it that way as well
AOC has had some pretty decent takes, but like Sanders she is a politician in America and has to play the game so who knows what she actually believes in. I believe her heart is probably in the right place at least.
They're not. I wasn't trying to imply Musk would run for office or anything. I'm just saying they are likely to be the type of people ignorant enough to continue to support him.
If there is another election and they are going to pretend it's legitimate, Trump would have to overturn the 22nd amendment to the Constitution to be eligible to run. A constitutional amendment requires a 2/3 vote from both houses of congress, and that is not likely to happen.
That doesn't mean the dumbass won't try to pull some sketchy shit and I honestly wouldn't put it past him to try.
Thanks for more insight.
I've seen some AOC memes but didn't really notice her beyond that. Again, European viewpoint. She doesn't really make it into European news.
I read something about right-wingers trying to claim that the 22nd amendment only says that nobody should be elected twice, so if Trump gets into office without getting elected, everything is fine. So their plan is to get someone else elected in Trump's stead and that person should then just appoint Trump as the new president, because according to them, that's apparently possible. And with their surpreme pile of garbage that they call a court, that might just work.
Scary times.
Fortunately, that doesn't work either, there are several issues with that logic.
We are still (nominally) a type of Democracy. That means our 'leaders' must be elected. The 22nd only addresses term limits, the constitution itself spells out how the President comes into power in the first place, and that is by being elected. Nowhere is the President granted the power to appoint someone else to the office. The 25th amendment lays out who is to be president in the event that the current one is unwilling/unable to perform their duties.
Still, we are talking about if he at least wants to have the appearance of legitimacy. He's certainly argued that he can 'creatively interpret' the constitution to suit his agenda. For example, despite the 14th amendment stating that "...all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States." the Trump administration has tried to claim that 'all people' do not include people who's parents were 'illegal immigrants', despite the Supreme Court precedent that it most certainly does include them.
I do have some faith that Americans would not stand for that though. That would be the final straw for many of us. If I am still around and something like that happens, I know it will be the final straw for me. I was born in a 'free' country, and I have no issues dying to help ensure it remains that way.
That being said there is nothing really stopping him from being the 'de facto' president in the case one of his lackeys gets elected and is willing to let him do so. For example if Vance were elected he could allow Trump to attend meetings and press conferences and speak on his behalf. He could be appointed an 'advisor' and Vance could follow his 'advice' every time. Hell he could allow Trump to sleep in his bed and use his toothbrush if he wanted.
Hopefully the DNC will pull it's fucking corporate boot licking head out of its ass and put up a candidate that's actually worth a damn for the next election, but that's about as likely as Trump stepping down gracefully.
It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. I wish I believed in God, I would ask you to pray for us.
I researched a little to figure out what they are on about, and there seem to be three main options, depending on how much of a semblance of a democracy they want to keep up.
The simplest yet weakest way is what you described: A shadow president. Worked for Putin, why should it not work for Trump. The downside: If the puppet president develops a mind of his own, things can turn ugly(er).
The next option is to have Trump become vice presidet (the presidential term limit doesn't seem to apply to VP), then have the president resign and make Trump president instead, claiming that the 22nd only limits being elected twice, which might be ok with the letter of the law, but only an idiot or a tyrant would interpret it that way.
The third option would be to have the president use the appointment clause, which is very vague about to what exact offices the president can appoint someone. It doesn't explicitly state that the president can't appoint someone else to the office of president. But again, only an idiot or a tyrant would interpret it that way.