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So slavery as indentured servitude is the American future. Way to "new model" the old model.

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[–] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Higher education was free in the USSR as stipulated by its constitution.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I'm not talking about that. Read what I wrote. Could I leave my job at the factory to go to university? Didn't I need permission from the factory manager and from the state to leave my job? Couldn't either refuse?

[–] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Could I leave my job at the factory to go to university?

Yes... as is evidenced by an entirely free education program.

If you're making the claim that "factory workers of the USSR had no freedom to go to college", then supply some evidence please. Stop beating around the bush.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fine...I'm going to ask chatgpt, since nobody knows and I'm not a historian of the USSR:

"In the USSR, while higher education was indeed free, the process of leaving a job to pursue higher education was not entirely straightforward. Workers, including those in factories, were required to obtain permission from their factory manager and the state to leave their job and enroll in university.

This permission was not always guaranteed, and the scarcity of qualified workers could make it more difficult to obtain. The factory manager and the state had some control over the mobility of workers, which could limit an individual's ability to leave their job and pursue higher education.

It's not that factory workers had no freedom to go to college, but rather that there were certain bureaucratic hurdles they had to navigate to make that transition. The availability of free education did not necessarily translate to unrestricted job mobility or easy access to higher education for all workers."

I also asked about the 1956 reforms:

"After 1956, the Soviet Union introduced some reforms that aimed to increase social mobility and access to education. The Soviet government implemented policies to encourage workers to pursue higher education, and it became easier for individuals to leave their jobs and enroll in university.

However, it's still important to note that the process of leaving a job to pursue higher education was not entirely without restrictions. While the reforms after 1956 did increase access to education, the state and factory managers still had some level of control over worker mobility.

It wasn't until the late 1980s, with the introduction of perestroika and glasnost under Mikhail Gorbachev, that the Soviet Union began to see more significant reforms that increased individual freedoms, including the ability to change jobs and pursue education with greater ease."

There. If anything there is factually wrong (gpt hallucinates a lot), let me know.

[–] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you want to play with AI slop, maybe log off lemmy and start doing this on your own... Not a single source cited.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Sorry if I somehow offended your ~~holy cow~~ golden calf, but I actually wanted to know how you change jobs in a communist economy. Fuck me for asking, right? At some point, zealotry gets counterproductive, which is unfortunate, because socialism needs to get more popular, not less with approaches like that.