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Democratic Sen. John Fetterman of Pennsylvania was meeting last week with representatives from a teachers union in his home state when things quickly devolved.

Before long, Fetterman began repeating himself, shouting and questioning why “everybody is mad at me,” “why does everyone hate me, what did I ever do” and slamming his hands on a desk, according to one person who was briefed on what occurred.

As the meeting deteriorated, a staff member moved to end it and ushered the visitors into the hallway, where she broke down crying. The staffer was comforted by the teachers who were themselves rattled by Fetterman’s behavior, according to a second person who was briefed separately on the meeting.

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[–] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah, thanks, I can read.

What is the right thing to prioritize?

It's entirely valid to call for him to step down. People called for Biden to step down, and it worked. Too little too late, but it's clear that nearly everyone recognized a problem and encouraged him to step down. I wasn't upset at him for blowing a debate, I was upset with the DNC for allowing it to happen in the first place.

Fetterman doesn't have that universal call. Half the nation and political system is applauding him for his stroke-induced personality changes.

Getting angry at him isn't productive, because he genuinely won't understand why. As evidenced in this article. Getting angry at the people that are allowing this to happen, however... that's where the problem is.

[–] PolarKraken@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We're just talking in circles my friend. My original and only point is that focusing on compassion for him when discussing the problem is misguided at best. At worst, it's exactly the thing you're describing - making the conversation entirely unproductive, and avoiding the serious problem, getting focused on this very typical moralizing we on the left do.

Fuck John Fetterman, and fuck any person who demands compassion for him be prioritized in the conversation. If we disagree, we disagree, I don't think I can make my point any more clearly. I regard anyone demanding the wrong things be discussed as - intentionally or not - helping the fascists. This is not a poorly thought out point of view, it's not a shallowly held conviction, and I'm just about finished even discussing it.

[–] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Fuck John Fetterman, and fuck any person who demands compassion for him be prioritized in the conversation

I mean, I'm not demanding compassion for him, so much as I'm trying to direct anger towards the people who are more responsible for the problem. This is why I said the "so much for tolerance" was a bit much.

I'm not really trying to protect Fetterman - any politician who enters the arena has willingly offered their life to the will of the public, and accepts the risks of the public turning on them, even for a bad reason. The pre-stroke Fetterman might have even agreed that it's fair game to be upset with the post-stroke Fetterman, because he is failing in his duty to represent his constituency.

I'm just trying to point out the group of powerful people who are actively encouraging a stroke victim to continue down a path of cognitive decline for their own personal gain. They are willfully taking advantage of a seriously fucked up situation. Fuck those people.

[–] PolarKraken@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No disagreement there, sounds like we essentially agree and just needed to take a few minutes to argue with one another, lol. Cheers and have a good one!