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All of it. Until you fully comprehend that when everyone's equipped with anti-oppression tools, nobody can, or should be oppressed.
@PugJesus@lemmy.world ’s meme is neoliberalism at its finest, sending bombs to Gaza, and slavering Africans. What “Freedom” is there, when they oppress other nations, and their civilians, through theft?
So do you keep up to date with the new files being added every day?
So, do you read book covers for the pretty fonts, or do read and conceptualize the contents of a news article with a journal to take notes with at the next post?
I am not trying to be petty or mean, but I honestly don’t understand what you are trying to say.
Yes. Just like I take my time to read lemmy posts of ignorant statists, I read newer entries in my library.
Or do you actually keep a record of every arbitrary law and news coming out of NATO Imperialists?
Ah okay, impressive. But can you see how it’s a bit much to ask everyone to read all the articles?
Anarchy is not the only political ideology, so in theory that would mean that I would need to read all the articles from all those ideologies to make an informed decision.
Well, I’ll try to read some of em, can’t promise that I’ll read everything tho.
I'm confident a civilian as yourself read every single law you are beholden to, and comply with the arbitrary judgements made in behalf of those laws, that nobody would make a profession out of that simply to exploit your ignorance, no? I simply can't fathom an entire industry created in the exploitation of ignorantia juris non excusat. Wouldn't that be, a bit much?
Sure! That seems absolutely reasonable. How familiar are you with European colonialism, and that of the US?
Take your time. I'm sure there are mentors, counselors, and teacher that can help you process centuries of information into condense forms of historical contexts you can summarize details for. There's even lemmy communities for that too!
Well now I’m confused. You just told me I should read all the papers in the anarchist library. Was that meant sarcastically?
I was told statist literacy dropped recently, I'm hopeful you're not a victim.
Do you know all the laws and actions of the state you reside, or do you like being exploited by your oppressors?
You are being really condescending for no reason. If you don’t want to talk with me, just don’t.
Now, you said this:
After which I said I found it a bit much to read all that. After that you start rambling about me also not reading all the laws and actions of the state. Yes, that’s my point, I think, in both cases, it’s a bit much to ask me to read every single document ever generated about a certain topic.
And for full disclosure, I am not a native english speaker, so yes, sometimes I do make mistakes.
So when you projected the problems with European colonialism in shifting goals of true freedoms for all, that was wasn't condescension on your part, just cognitive dissonance on your part.
Then we agree, that imprisonment in ignorance of the law shouldn't be oppressed, and should be abolished until everyone can learn the rules everyone abides by, no? Because the point of anarchism is that everyone should have access to literature, and be able to comprehend the rules one abides by, without being exploited. You can't really do that in European countries that still disallow library access and literacy exclusivities.
Same here! I learned English to read American and European comics & cartoons, but I try not to be ignorant on who oppresses my rights to read queer books, transexual medicine, and indigenous rights! This is why I do not bloodwash European Imperials still stealing resources from others that should benefit them first, then others. Slavery should have never existed, but Europe still enslaves!
Where did I mention European colonialism? I just said I thought that anarchy is also a very flawed system. I don’t see how that could be considered condescending.
I indeed do think that information should be freely available. I just don’t see how the existence of a state is incompatible with information being freely available or how anarchy would lead to information being freely available.
Also, I don’t believe I am willfully ignorant. I just haven’t been exposed to anarchy that much, so I am genuinely interested to learn about it.
Are you not aware what projection means? How can you be aware of a “system’s” flaws if you admitted to be ignorant about, and have never practiced it? “Systems” are are statist terms, which anarchists completely condemn. Better use of your time reading why anarchists loath state machines, and why we refuse to create problems for others in the name of “freedom.” Might as well learn the European system of “freedom” arbitrarily given to you, you seem ignorant of those flaws of.
Because, like we discussed much earlier the exploitation of your civilian ignorance is exploited as a state industry to incarcerate the ignorant, and reward the knowledgable, with bars and permission to counsel, instead of anarchist abolishment of prisons, lawyering, policing, and oppression. Can you not see how information is repressed?
Then if you are interested, start branching out:
We even have jabber resources!
Rhetorics are praxis, yours are shit. Be less angry. Project less of your pain on random passers-by. Assume innocence. If you can't, work on it until you can. If you don't understand why that's the case, why it's a bad idea to preach from on-high as an Anarchist...
Is this a projective preach for yourself? Or do you actually have something to deoppress in Europe that I can help with?
If you read the thread from my responses, I was replied to in ignorance and bad faith.
That is not ignorance. That' a chance to educate, and you blew it. Did you send them a link to the anarchist library or something and really expect them to read it. At that point you should have been asking what kind of question, aspects, interests them most, and give some pointers.
That is not bad faith, but ignorance. Presumably because you failed to give a proper and vulgar definition yourself. Vulgar as in "doesn't use misleading terms such as 'state' which has a completely different meaning in the dictionary than it does in anarchist theory so you should keep it out of first impressions and leave it to the history seminar".
Frankly speaking, if you can't advocate for anarchism without getting the term anarchy or any politics involved, you're not doing it right. Not that that's always the best approach, but it is a viable and valuable approach.
Why, are we so flawless on the continent that you're itching for any opportunity, any, to apply your vast skills of deoppression? Go outside. You don't need me to point out shit, shit should be obvious, question is how to grow flowers on it.
Ah, I see, I failed to actually call out European Neoliberalism for what it is, because @Thekingoflorda@lemmy.world is both ignorant and not ignorant about oppression.
Go right ahead and mentor them. I have prisons to abolish.
Why are you tagging me in a separate thread? I have no interest in engaging with you here.
There you go, @barsoap@lemm.ee , you have your Rhetorics answered.
I apologize, Thekingoflorda. Someone thinks people can be convinced of a new political thought over a thread, instead of years of immersion and peer review.
As if convincing me was in any way your goal. You are clearly only here to feel morally superior and smarter then other people.
If that was the case, why are we not working together to end European & American imperialism?
Indeed. What's your actual motivation, here: Advocate for Anarchism, or be angry at Neoliberals? Why frame the whole thing as "against bad thing" instead of "in favour of good thing"? Is there a reasoning behind it?
Are other people the reason they can't be convinced, or at least their interest be piqued, or your combative approach? Are you willing to entertain that possibility or does your mind shy away from it, seeking not an answer to the question but justifications to ignore it?
Freedom. Do you speak it?
I don't mind you not telling me the answers to those questions. They are not intended to put you on the spot, or to be used to judge you. But I do suggest you be honest with yourself when answering them, for yourself.
Also freedom is a spook read some Stirner.
Then please ~~enslave~~spook your rhetorics anywhere else.
Unless you're helping me abolish incarceration, I see no futher use in policing my speech.
Did arguing here help you abolish incarceration, reform the Japanese legal system?
You are absolutely free and welcome to prioritise that struggle, focus on it but... then why not focus on it? Why sit here, diving head-first into controversy, when you could do work in your community?
Should you not, instead, study law and become a constitutional judge? A legal scholar, investigating reforms to the system? Instead you sit here, online, being angry at mods for not having read the whole of the anarchist library. Pissing against the wind and whistling while you do so.
Yep, this is projection on your part.
Let me know when you're ready to submit your Japanese reform bills. I'm available, whenever.
I'm neither Japanese nor a legal scholar of any kind nor focussed on legal system / prison reform.
You said you are. Act like it. Or don't, but then don't say you are. The only thing I'm asking of you here is self-consistency. Focus on your focus. If in doubt, observe your process of focussing until you've figured out what you're actually drawn to (the latter might feel suspiciously like Zen because it is Zen, with all the BS trappings removed).
Then we have nothing further to converse.
Then I guess you should unsubscribe from this community because it's highly doubtful you'll ever find anyone to talk to here.
wait, you're new new to lemmy.
I came to this singular meme, for a singular 異議あり！
Do you have a habit of talking about yourself in third person?
It's baked in our language. So was English, until individualism was propagandized.
I'm not subscribed NCD, seeing as you could tell my communities.
Already Proto-Indo-European had first and second person pronouns, including the "I" vs. "me" distinction, try again. So do Uralic languages, which some argue forms a larger family with the Indo-European languages.
So your propaganda event would be, at the minimum, something like 7000 years in the past.
It's Japanese which is the odd one out in this regard and I'd rather say it's about a penchant for indirectness as well as hammering down nails which stick out, easier done when enforced in an impersonal manner. Not "I think you smell", standing behind your words, meaning what you say and saying what you mean, opening yourself to challenge, but a fuzzy, out-of-nowhere-and-everywhere, "there is a smell in the room". Btw what's the net result of your justice system, and what are the cultural factors that allow neglecting basic rights of the individual in favour of the collective?
Jesus H. Christ.
Also a historical anarchist!
Happy Easter, anti-christ!