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I see many socialists on X and Instagram that are not on Mastodon, why is that? Is there a socialist argument as to why these organizations are still there, and should we join them?

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[–] starkillerfish@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Nobody uses mastodon. Orgs use platforms where they can reach an audience

[–] ComradeIntergalactic@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Nobody uses Mastodon is a lazy analysis.

[–] starkillerfish@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Do you want me to pull usage statistics for mastodon vs mainstream social media?

[–] ComradeIntergalactic@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Claiming "nobody is on Mastodon" is a lazy excuse to avoid it. The stats are clear that there is a stark difference, but regardless, organizations should be there too.

[–] starkillerfish@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There isn’t really a good reason to spend resources on a platform that barely has any people on it.

[–] ghost_of_faso3@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 days ago

defeatism, its empty because no one is there and im not going there because its empty so we're going to continue giving zuckerburg ad revenue

[–] ghost_of_faso3@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

ineffective at best, orgs should focus instead on going outside and moving to decentralized platforms for information sharing.

host your own site, hand out leaflets, open stalls; posting on mainstream social media is a dead end and only drives engagement with fascists and people who dont go outside, neither of who are productive.

[–] starkillerfish@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

My org has our website, flyers on a weekly basis and does stalls at bigger events AND posts about it on mainstream social media. I don’t see a problem with it

[–] ghost_of_faso3@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

AND posts about it on mainstream social media

And when the fascists are in power they will have every member on those social medias sites details, well done!

Why are we giving traffic and org details to the enemy again, do you understand who owns these websites?

[–] starkillerfish@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

i dont really understand how you propose promoting an org or doing mass communications. by that logic no org member should own a phone because it could be traced, or because its produced by capitalist businesses.

[–] ghost_of_faso3@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

i dont really understand how you propose promoting an org or doing mass communications.

1 - going outside and distributing propaganda to the public

2 - engage with your local community through activism

3 - setup your own orgs website and direct people too it

you cant use the masters tools to break the masters home comrade, mainstream social media is designed to filter people like us out and at worst suppress/hunt down people like us; take lessons from the red scare or how twitter and facebook work to suppress the working class and inform fascist regimes all over the world, if you invest into the tools of the upper class you're just honey potting yourself.

by that logic no org member should own a phone because it could be traced, or because its produced by capitalist businesses.

not what im saying at all, you can create your own risk profile suited to what you're doing; as an induvidual you're still driving engagement with social media but its not the biggest deal ever

if you're out protesting and bring your phone though? terrible OPSEC, it can be used to geolocate and prosecute you.

for a massive orgs comms?

undermines the anti-capitalist messaging a little bit when its on the front page of one of the richest people on the planet dont you think?

[–] starkillerfish@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

undermines the anti-capitalist messaging a little bit when its on the front page of one of the richest people on the planet dont you think?

this is essentially the "if you dont like capitalism why do you exist in it" argument. i dont see the point in being a purist when it comes to communications, it would just be impossible to build a movement and grow. sure there are risks associated with it, but they are fairly low in the west.

[–] ghost_of_faso3@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

this is essentially the “if you dont like capitalism why do you exist in it

nope, its more like dont send all of your details to the people you are trying to dismantle lol, missing the point.

is it praxis now to give ad revenue to elon musk, the seig heiling guy? should we have been begging hitler for a spot in his newspapers? or should we have seized thoses presses and made our own newspaper?