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I wish lemm.ee would block Hexbear. Fuck capitalism, but those people are nuts. They make MAGAts look good.
EDIT: I used to be an active member of /r/LateStageCapitalism until I left reddit for good, but go ahead and keep assuming things about me.
no we don't, you're just mad you aren't the noblest position possible and you lash out at us when we critique you from the left.
Uh no. Quit putting words in my mouth.
See my reply to the person you just replied to, cause I don't feel like typing this shit out twice.
But you expect everyone to read your bullshit (which I did BTW). Hypocrite.
yeah magat... what trump supporters want universal healthcare, decommodification of housing, defunding the police, defunding the military, open borders, free college, and to send american war criminals to stand trial at the hague or in the countries they committed their crimes against?
how illiterate do you have to be to hear what socialists want and think "yeah they support trump"?
Uh what? I have no idea what any of that means.
I just don't like Hexbear cause they claim to be communists yet constantly talk shit about liberals. Only MAGAts and Hexbear users hate liberals.
I miss /r/LateStageCapitalism, a community made of actual communist liberals, unlike Hexbear which is just full of rage baiting trolls. But I'll never go back to reddit again.
"Communist liberal" is incoherent nonsense. Liberalism is a capitalist ideology that promotes private ownership of the means of production, communism subsequently doesn't, they are contradictory ideologies.
Absolutely false. It espouses private ownership. This can mean your own clothes, your own phone, your own computer, your own house, your own sentimental belongings, instead of everything being communally shared.
It is possible for the means of production, like factories, to be communally owned, while still allowing for small personal private ownership. You can strike a balance between liberalism and private ownership, and communism and communal ownership.
It's not a black and white binary choices between "everything is private" and "everything is communal".
Things are not so black and white. It's possible to like ideas from both sides, without having to fully subscribe to a single idealogy.
There is no third way in this context, either you want workers to own the means of production or you want Capitalists to. Liberals want Capitalists to, and some liberals want Capitalists to own less, but see no overall problem with the current relationship between workers and their exploited labor. Communists want workers to own the means of production by contrast, these are opposing ideologies.
:pigpoop: :LIB:
God I am glad that emojis are broken right now. I never want to see more poopy pig balls, especially from people who lib is the far right.
liberals have universally allied with fascists over communists. the liberals in the Weimer Republic put Hitler in power, to give but one example. Churchill admired Hitler.
Both liberals and fascists agree that capitalism is the bee's knees, they agree that most things should be privatized, they agree that people must be exploited by an elite. There's a common saying - "If you scratch a liberal, a fascist bleeds," meaning that the second you exert even the slightest violence towards liberals or threaten to do so, they suddenly turn into fascist monsters, seemingly out of nowhere! Macron in France is a good current-day example - the riots have prompted him to turn France into ever more of a police state in which the pigs have unbelievable powers and surveillance. When America has been provoked by actions (many of which didn't even actually happen, e.g. the Gulf of Tonkin, the Nayirah testimony, etc (or those that did happen but didn't need to provoke an entire invasion in response, like 9/11) they start wars that kill hundreds of thousands, even millions.
It's actually hard to describe exactly where liberals and fascists have opposing beliefs sometimes. I suppose where they differ is whether the cruelty should be more obscured or more out in the open? But you have to understand, the political dichotomy isn't and has never been "liberal vs conservative", because of those are on the side of the bourgeoisie in the class war. It's communists vs capitalists, and liberal, conservatives, fascists, even the more left-wing people in the American establishment like Warren and Bernie are on the side of the capitalists. We hold fundamental political beliefs that differ from liberals. Liberals do not differ in fundamental political beliefs from fascists. It's also why accusations of "horseshoe theory" are so hilarious to us.
Liberalism has always allied themselves with the far-right as an ideology that protects capital. We just know this because we read/study theory and have kept up with things going on around the world what with "liberals" and the "right" being quite similiar in views, especially recently. That being said,
:horsepoo-theory:
It's funny how for those who Hexbear is to their left, always use the critique of "they're crazy" then compare us to right wingers without fail.
Absolutely no actual critique and the typical liberal understanding of politics that "there are only two teams, and if you're not on mine then you're on theirs"
Please read a book
I've seen posts of Hexbears saying they'll vote for Trump, with no pushback from anyone else.
I had a Hexbear today tell me that it's okay that Russian soldiers rape women and children in Ukraine because ML's support violence for their cause and that's just how it is.
It's a small minority of Hexbears who hold abhorrent positions, but the rest of Hexbears tolerate them.
Does that particular Hexbear know that raping is wrong?
What I suspect the Hexbear will tell you is that NATO has committed large scale crimes and NATO soldiers have also raped women, you just won't hear about it on western media because it doesn't fit their imperialist propaganda narrative.
That's when you need to bring out the big eye roll emojis
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Thats because a lot of lemmy users see right wing as being evil.
The reality is the right is not evil. Supporting genocidal dictators like Stalin and Mao is.
The great leap forward.
Here, read this. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/08/03/giving-historys-greatest-mass-murderer-his-due/
He sourcing from a book fairly widely discredited by academics. Adding on to the wildly discredited notion that the Soviet famine was intentional. Like this is literally cold war propaganda people were paroting in the 80s. Embarrassing
The fuck, have you ever heard of the Holodomor? Family members of people I know had people die of hunger because russian soldiers would confiscate all their food right before winter. Sick fucks.
I get that you are lying to win the argument here and are just making shit up but no, it is incredibly well documented and looked at in incredibly boring books like 'The Years of Hunger: Soviet Agriculture, 1931–1933 (Industrialisation of Soviet Russia)' that literally digs through russian and ukranian archives and looks at seed data and is again incredibly boring but comes to the conclusion that the Soviet famine which I quote:
Our study of the famine has led us to very different conclusions from Dr Conquest’s. He holds that Stalin ‘wanted a famine’, that ‘the Soviets did not want the famine to be coped with successfully’, and that the Ukrainian famine was ‘deliberately inflicted for its own sake’. This leads him to the sweeping conclusion: ‘The main lesson seems to be that the Communist ideology provided the motivation for an unprecedented massacre of men, women and children. We do not at all absolve Stalin from responsibility for the famine. His policies towards the peasants were ruthless and brutal. But the story which has emerged in this book is of a Soviet leadership which was struggling with a famine crisis which had been caused partly by their wrongheaded policies, but was unexpected and undesirable. The background to the famine is not simply that Soviet agricultural policies were derived from Bolshevik ideology, though ideology played its part. They were also shaped by the Russian pre-revolutionary past, the experiences of the civil war, the international situation, the intransigeant circumstances of geography and the weather, and the modus operandi of the Soviet system as it was established under Stalin. They were formulated by men with little formal education and limited knowledge of agriculture. Above all, they were a consequence of the decision to industrialise this peasant country at breakneck speed.
Anyone should take some boring history book over 'a family member of a ~~friend~~ person I know'.
Your source directly states that those policies were real and that they happened. Soldiers confiscating food before winter and leaving farmers without any is not anything your source is denying.
Cool, I'll trust more my GF's grandma that had to live throught it. Thanks.
lol yeah sure bud, it went from 'a family member of a person I know' to my 'GF's grandma had to live through it', which is something a person who is lying about this would do so uh congrats? Stop getting your history info from Jordan Peterson, actually stop watching Jordan Peterson and you might even get a real girlfriend.
my GF’s grandma that had to live through it is literally a family member of a person I know, I didn't want to explose too much info, and given your reaction, I shouldn't have. All it went was from low context to medium context, the info being the same.
It' seems like you have squared me as a white male American conservative (Jordan Peterson wtf...), so there's no point in discussing it more. All I'm going to reveal is that I'm from Spain, and my partner was born in Ukraine, which I'm sure can be extracted from my post history so there's no point in hiding that.
Also, quite funny that when I raise my points about your own quote, you attack my personal experience and call me a liar.
:) Anyway, have a nice day.
Oh I get it you are more into Franco, please tell me how did that fictional encounter happen did your GF show up with her grandma one day and granny was like "you are her boyfriend let me tell you about...." because I have a good friend who's grandfather fought in the spanish civil war only I didn't find out about this through his grandma but him because this is the person I'm actually close to. That's why I know you are a liar, you can pretend all you want and add all the modifiers but I doubt it matters at this point it's not like you can back down from this extravagant lie.
You have a good friend? My grand parents fought on the civil war, and we lost. My family had to suffer through the Franco oppresion, I'm Basque for fuck's sake, Almost all of my family memebrs had to suffer thought the Franco opporesion, on the schools, on the streets... They had to work with with the communities so that the local language was not lost.
Ask your friend about the Ukranian immigration in Spain and Portugal, there's quite a lot of them and some of those now have Spaniard nationalities. Anyway, I don't get why I must defend myself, I get why American republicans are so good at what they do, if you attack nonstop you don't have to justify shit.
You are deraged, you have done nothing but attack the person instead of the idea, while calling me a liar nonstop. You must be a troll and while I enjoy reading on LGTB communities of hexbear, I fucking get why people want to defederate from hexbear, it's not the communism, it's you and people like you. Congrats.
Enjoy your bubble.
I have heard of it that is why I referenced it, this argument has been raging for decades. The idea of a terror famine has been pushed in popular media even though it is not the common view held by experts in the field of study. I'll link one of the funnier exchanges on the subject in Getty's review of Conquest's harvest of sorrow (one of the more more widely cited sources in popular culture of the intentional famine narrative) in the London review of books.
https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v09/n02/j.-arch-getty/starving-the-ukraine
For context this was also written before western academics has access to the Soviet archives which further served to vindicate the Getty's criticism of the narrative.
No one denies that there was death and hardship. When you call something genocide you are saying there was a deliberate effort to eradicate a peoples, there isn't sufficient evidence of intentionality or malice to come to the conclusion of genocide. You can say there was a poorly planned and executed state policy(I personally think it could have been better handled) but it also ignores the global context of wide spread crop failures at the time, for example in the north American dust bowl or the West African famines (I'd argue you can make a much more substantiated claim of genocide in West Africa). It also ignores the material conditions that Soviet agriculture at the time was underdeveloped because of the serfdom under the tsars.
I don't expect us to reconcile but when your response is just my grandma says so you come off as unserious and that's why you are getting dunked on. In America a popular boomer conspiracy that people will attest to is that there were Jews celebrating when 9/11 happened it doesn't mean it's correct or should be taken seriously.
And this kinda shit is why it was a waste of everyones time for hexbear to federate with everyone. All you do is deny genocide and post poopy pig balls.