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[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 20 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

How is NATO dead, just because the US is no longer reliable the rest of the countries can still respond

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 21 points 22 hours ago (6 children)

NATO was a tool of American influence. Just as the Warsaw pact was a tool of Russian influence.

The trans-atlantic partnership is over. NATO is obsolete, a successor is needed. America has checked out,

[–] Vikthor@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

NATO is still usefull as a framework for cooperation with the UK, Turkey, Canada and Norway.

[–] doodledup@lemmy.world 9 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Nato is not dead just because the US leaves it. The EU wasn't dead either after the UK left.

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 11 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

the US and Hungary have no reason to officially leave NATO because they can sabotage it from within and use it to blackmail and steer Europe into the position they want, being puppets of Russia and US.

the last thing America wants is a detatched Europe that isnt allied with them, they see independent Europe as a hostile entity, they are only interested in Europe being vassal states.

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

France and the UK are more than capable of maintaining an article 5 nuclear umbrella. If that's all NATO is worth, it's still enough.

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago

France is one election away from Marine Le Pen kissing the feet of Putin.

[–] yukichigai@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 18 hours ago

NATO was that, but it may very well continue on as something else. Without the US mind you, but nothing says the rest of the NATO countries can't just decide to stay in.

Of course it might also be a good time for them to all make the international equivalent of the No Homer's Club. Either way.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 7 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I wasn't convinced at first that NATO is dead on Trump's first term. But here we are and it is a long time coming.

Some analysts think that the unipolar world is over, and that we're heading into a multipolar world again but dominated by regional blocs. The EU is definitely there, and sometime later the African Union will become more cohesive and globally influential. But I don't see Latin America having as strong regional grouping as the EU. In Asia, we can forget it because Asians tend to be insular. There is ASEAN but they do not have the same solidarity as the EU.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago

You forgot to mention China. Unless the EU gets its shit together and resists the same forces that are destroying the US, China is going to become that unipole.

[–] rational_lib@lemmy.world 4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

For one why limit it to the North Atlantic? Japan, South Korea, and Australia should get in on the action too. And France and the UK can help them all get nukes (yes I mean that seriously - US and Russia being the only large nuclear powers is a disaster). Now would be a great time for the stable democracies (not the US) to create a new alliance.

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

South Korea and particularly Japan doesn't need help getting nukes. Japan in particular has never been afraid of showing an advanced space program(for icbm technology) and their immense plutonium stockpile. They could assemble ICBMs that could target anywhere in the world in a matter of weeks.

[–] yukichigai@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 18 hours ago

Yeah, but if they can do it that fast on their own, imagine how much faster they can get it done with help.

Besides, if China starts getting a little froggy Japan and South Korea are going to need a lot more than a few armaments to ward them off.

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 0 points 18 hours ago

Under Putin's Sock Puppet, most certainly. However, the US MIC might hold the key to bring the USA back to being the USA.