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[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 371 points 1 day ago (29 children)

Does anyone else have the feeling that Ukraine is safer with no deal?

[–] thatonecoder@lemmy.ca 214 points 1 day ago (13 children)

Yeah, and the EU should immediately step up, and triplicate support for Ukraine.

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 116 points 1 day ago (11 children)

We (Europe) already did most of the heavy lifting for Ukraine. The US mostly gave old stockpiles of weapons that they would've needed to destroy anyway. We are the ones actually paying cash to keep them afloat.

The problem is, in the post-WW2 order, our defense and our defense industry was made dependent on the USA by design. And even up until last November, Europe didn't want to challenge this arrangement and just went full steam ahead with this arrangement, ordering US made weapons. I think Europe was in denial that Biden could lose or that NATO could ever end.

Only France, and to a limited extent, Sweden and Turkey, have independent defense industries.

In the future, we will have it again. And Ukraine will actually be a key player.

But in the short term, there is no magical button to press that can produce the arms.

Undoing decades of integration isn't going to be easy.

[–] thatonecoder@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 day ago

You just made all of the points that I was thinking about.

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