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The colonial entity that has terrorized the world for decades and prior to that did genocide to create itself, used slavery, etc., deserves Trump making a mockery of their propaganda? Yes.
Some random people in appalachia dealing with hurricane fallout or in california dealing with wildfires "deserve Trump"? No. Don't play into the democrats' "blame the voters" narrative. The US does have a not-insignificant number of people with reactionary, shitty views and behavior, but the amount of power regular people have over any of the broader decisions is wildly exaggerated by those in power, in order to redirect blame from themselves. The most recent election, for example, was effectively between two candidates and no one else presented as viable, both of whom supported/support genocide. There was no outcome there through voting that was going to be fundamentally better, short of pulling off a third party upset like PSL and they were struggling just to get on the ballot in some states. Hell, as far as I can tell about the US, a lot of people are less bloodthirsty and are more just "don't even know what the hell is going on" because of how effective the propaganda has been. Sometimes I'll hear from someone I know who is more of a liberal on an issue that has been ongoing, but they're acting like it's suddenly new because they're now hearing about it under Trump. I'm pretty sure there's even stuff on occasion that I missed because it was obfuscated under a democrat president and I'd like to think I pay attention pretty well, overall.
There are components of US society that need to be confronted beyond just class, that is 100% for sure. But it's also more complicated than just "the US is bloodthirsty white settlers", especially with all the intermixing of various ethnic groups that are considered non-white, including the partial (I say partial cause of still existing systemic racism) integration of black people into "regular" US life. And including the indigenous nations who still exist and are going to be affected by what happens in the region because of how all-encompassing the US state's presence is in the region it covers.
If you don't live in the US, this may not matter as much as a distinction. But for those of us who are here, it's important that we're not prematurely throwing under the bus anyone and everyone we could organize with, because of some narratives that people basically suck and don't want to do good things.
Edit: Also, I will remind people, if you're trying to be communist, your priorities are allegedly supposed to be about caring what happens to other people. We all have moments we want to let off steam and of course you don't need to try to organize with nazis or the like, but if you're more interested in watching the world burn than helping people who are in need, then you are just continuing the mindset of the colonizer, not dismantling it. Liberals don't get flack for being compassionate, that's not the problem with the ones who sincerely are. They get flack for false compassion and feckless pacifism in the face of systemic exploitation. Compassion is the thing that some of them actually get right, they just often aren't applying it politically in a way that does much of anything.
Also, these are the kind of people who suffer most at the hands of the empire, both at its height and in its decline, not the ones the most petty feelings would wish will suffer most: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/7011701
Once again, it is the most marginalized who bear the brunt of the suffering. You have to create consequences for the colonizers, not sit around and hope some votes that are part of their own machine will boomerang consequences back on them.
Yes, your argument is entirely valid. After witnessing an actual genocide being ignored (dems literally covering their ears), or applauded (republicans giving netanyahu a standing ovation). I stopped caring.
My own blood is being killed overseas by these bastards who have zero morals, I think it will get worse before it gets better, but america as a society is irredeemable in my opinion.
I'm sorry. I hope I don't come across like I'm trying to tell people how they should feel about it. People's feelings are their own. And FWIW, as USian culture goes, I don't see it as something that can survive if the region is to be decolonized. Some form of mass cultural reformation would probably need to happen alongside a new system of power that is in partnership with (not dominion over) fully sovereign indigenous nations, in order to get past all the deeply embedded colonizer thinking and behavior, including all the racism and so on. It's a really messy situation and sometimes I wish I had been born somewhere I had an actual ethnic heritage and culture, instead of "blend of european whose ancestors came over to join in the colonization at some point." :/
I think folks can lose sight of this. The US is not and has never been a democracy. And even insofar as the sham elections go, as the AP byline shows again, both relevant parties have essentially identical foreign policy. Even now, Trump and co just appear incapable of getting the job done—it’s not as though they want America’s imperial grasp to weaken.
Exactly and I would say, both of the following can be true at the same time and the second part is maybe where some people get caught up in believing the "blame the voters" narrative:
The US is not a people's democracy. If it is democracy in any meaning, it's "democracy for the rich."
The US contains a not-insignificant number of people who hold little to no power over the direction of the country as a whole, but are still deeply racist and/or colonial in their thinking, whether they exercise that in the day to day or not. These are dangerous people who those in power no doubt try to pull from for the footsoldiers of continuing the status quo, but it does not mean that a car mechanic who's a bit reactionary or whatever, is deciding the fate of the country.
And if we look at how people act when they have accurate information (such as in the case of Palestine), there's quite a lot of sincere sympathy and will for a humanitarian cause. Which is something the empire historically tries to take advantage of, such as in branding its agenda as "spreading democracy" and trying to repress accurate information about the goings on in the world. There's sincere care to be found, in other words, that doesn't even have to be nurtured much, but sometimes the challenge is getting lies out of the way, so that people can see the US for what it is as an entity and understand how their care gets used to manufacture consent for atrocities.