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This has very much the feeling of ‘they need us more than we need them’
I’m in the UK and some people voted for Brexit saying the same. Look how that turned out for us over the last five years.
I know this is sidetracking a bit, but i just wanted the chance to ask somebody who is actually from Great Britain, how is it there.? Without having to look for information online that could be propaganda as we don't really know which information source is reliable or not. How are you guys holding up?
Bad, I'm lucky and live in a fairly afluent area of the south (but outside of London) but decades of conservative cuts have left our local government councils broke. My best friends moved to Europe because one of them worked in the arts and there's not enough jobs to support them in just the UK. The new Labour government is an improvement but has shifted significantly to the right in their policies and feels like Conservative Light and is actively persecuting Trans and immigrant people through it's policies to appeal to ex-conservatives. They're starting to seek closer ties to Europe again but everything feels pretty hopeless.
I've been watching labour's right turn from over here in antagonismland, and I'm baffled by it. Like first of all, they won because the Tories were a parade of buffoons at best and actively destroying the UK whenever they managed to do anything. Like, all you have to do is say "these decisions have been bad for the British people, it's going to take some time to get results from us actually attempting to govern, but we promise we won't do what they did"
Ask our Democrats how that's working out.
Bit chilly today, otherwise fine.
Imports and exports have largely been the same before and after Brexit, with a dip as people figured out the bureaucratic mountains of paperwork involved that wasn't needed before.
Source: https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7851/CBP-7851.pdf
Section 3 for the graphs.
I dare say we've lost a lot of influence across Europe over it. We didn't get any of the supposed "benefits", but trade didn't just drop off a cliff either. For all the bluster over the hardness of the Brexit we'd like, it mostly seems to be business as usual.
That's not the universal view within the government, the OBR has estimated that imports/exports of goods and services are 15% lower than had the UK stayed in the EU although some research goes as high as 30% and some as low as 6%
Yeah, we're likely down a few percent of growth each year. Over time the compound interest on that may end up adding up to a lot.
Still at least we didn't stick a shit load of tariffs on it out of sheer spite.
For starters: If someone has an (R) behind their name it's most likely a lie.