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Barely won? He won essentially every state that wasn't deep blue. They each may have been small margins individually, but that's a pretty massive overall victory. Pretending it wasn't decisive isn't helping anyone, it's just denial.
And, if you add up all the counties of the United States and give one vote for each county, he won a massive victory, like those entirely-red maps that right wingers like to post that ignore population. The point is, though, that's not an accurate way to count who is popular and not.
He won the popular vote too though. That was supposedly impossible for Republicans in the modern era.
It may not be an accurate way to count, but it IS the way this country counts elections. By the rules of the game, we lost; in a big way.
And then I say, "Yes, but that's not an accurate way to count who's popular." And then you say, "Yes, but it is our current system, and determines who won the election." And then I say, "But that's not the point, if you read the article, it's talking about popularity specifically." And then you say, "But popularity doesn't define the results of the election, the real point is, by our current system, he won by a lot" And basically we can keep going like that forever.
Sounds like fun, right?
A 1% swing from R to D and the reverse is true. Our system exaggerates close results as a bunch of battleground states move together. And even on the electoral front, this wasn't a big victory. Biden got 306 electoral votes in 2020, Trump got 312. In 2008, Obama won 365-173. That was a massive victory.