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Summary

Trust in the U.S. judicial system has hit a record low, with only 35% of Americans expressing confidence, according to Gallup.

Criticism centers on the Supreme Court’s conservative majority, accused of advancing right-wing agendas, eroding rights like abortion access, and lacking accountability.

This judicial capture, orchestrated by conservative groups like the Federalist Society, ensures Republican dominance in key policies for decades, regardless of future elections.

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[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Dylan didn't have to be charged with terrorism to get the death penalty in SC. NY State law requires the terrorism charge to be able to sentence Luigi to the death penalty. It's precisely because Luigi didn't kill a bunch of people that they have to tack on the terrorism charge, but them being so bloodthirsty is very likely to backfire. They could have gotten the 2nd degree murder charge and life in prison, but it's gonna be damn near impossible to find 12 people that will convict beyond a reasonable doubt on terrorism.

Sure it highlights how bloodthirsty these ghouls at the top are, but it may not work for them the way they want it to.

Dylan is currently on death row. Waste of taxpayer money if you ask me. Life in prison with no chance of parole is cheaper by multiple factors.

[–] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The terrorism charge also brings his motivation front and center. If it was a 2nd degree murder only, they might have been able to suppress a lot of discussion about UnitedHealth for being irrelevant and prejudicial. But now they not only have to discuss it, but they have to allow the defense to respond to it. If they aren't careful, this could easily open the door to a jury nullification strategy.

[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 18 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Jury nullification isn't an official path to be taken. Many judges will slam on the brakes the moment anyone, anyone at all, even hints at it.

Officially, juries are finders of fact. Did he do the actions needed for each charge? If so, then the verdict must be guilty. They are not finders of law; that's for the judges or legislators.

That said, much like determining which degree of a murder charge, whether "he had it coming/he started it" could play a big part in evidence and testimony.

[–] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

It's not an official strategy, and the defense can't do anything to overtly encourage it. But they are going to try to make the defendant sympathetic, and given the chance, they will try to get the jury thinking about just how unsympathetic the victim is.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It's incredibly unlikely for sure. The lawyers and judge won't ask anything about intent to nullify but they will ask if you have any prior knowledge or bias and pretty much anyone that intended to nullify would answer yes to those or face jail time for lying in court.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How could they find 12 people who do not have any knowledge or bias about the incident?

[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's not so much being unaware of anything. It's about ensuring the juries are able to impartially evaluate the evidence presented. If one has a conflict of interest, or certain outside knowledge, they can't be impartial. Simply having read the news stories probably won't disqualify you. But if you've written similar statements as the accused, that would.

Since this is a high profile case, there are some interesting possible conflicts of interest. They might disqualify anyone that's ever had United Healthcare insurance. Or anyone that's had a claim denied, regardless of insurer. Or works in the medical field. Or had a family member with various medical conditions.

For all of the reasons that some people say it was justified, those are reasons a juror could be disqualified.

But these are all idle speculation at this point. It will be a long time (probably years) before they actually seat a jury.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Thank you for all the great info! If I could bother you with another question, what makes you think it will be years before they seat the jury, and how does this not violate his Sixth Amendment right to a "speedy and public trial"?

[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 days ago

High profile and high impact cases always take a long time. Murder trials by themselves (with no significant impact) average something like 9 months before trial. Every extra facet adds more hearings and delays. There will be many, many motions from both sides on what can be shown to the jury.

As for his rights, he can certainly choose to invoke that. I believe that would give them 60 days to begin. However, that also means that his defense only has 60 days to prepare. Delays almost always benefit the defendant.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

NY State law requires the terrorism charge to be able to sentence Luigi to the death penalty

Life imprisonment; NY State does not have the death penalty

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah I just watched a Legal Eagle video on it, apparently the death penalty is coming from the federal charges

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Which is also one of the first times they've publicly used a stalking charge since they got the power to do so in 1998. Some serious double standards going on here.

They'll find the 12 jurors they need. If they don't I'm sure they'll have at least 1 that will insist on guilty to make it a hung jury, then it's unlimited do-overs