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this post was submitted on 19 Aug 2023
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Well if someone is stupid and my bullying gets them a bit out of their stupidity I don't think it's too bad. Also this is largely not a problem where I live, my mom asked if we could use signal because she disliked WhatsApp because of privacy, and I just installed signal, my dad still uses WhatsApp, my friends and I use telegram and discord. I've actually never had to do any real bullying because in the real world everyone understands the issue enough for us to get somewhere sensible.
It's neither rude nor pointless to explain software to users who are less adept with software, sometimes it won't work but, it also sometimes does just work, especially with chat apps, it's literally just replacing an icon, because on the UI side they are very similar. And I hate to tell you this but not providing tech support if you are good at it also just doesn't help, it just makes us collectively stupider. Sure don't burn yourself out on users who can get nothing right, but like teach your parents colleagues and friends some fundamentals that you seem to understand, if only because it makes your life easier.
It sounds like the idea of empathy is repellant to you. Bye.
I'm not sure how you come to this staggering conclusion, an honest attempt at teaching is completely impossible without empathy, but yes it sometimes involves conflict, the important thing is to be patient, and invest what you can give into people you actually care about. I would hope that includes your parents, but I understand it might not.
I'm just going by the sustained use of "bullying". If I had my way, I'd use signal with everyone, but I'm not going to ask 20 people to change for me whether it's superior or not.
Besides, I am much more of an idealist than that -- I see using a proprietary solution as just a bandaid even if I was up for doing the "bullying". The real solution is a decent standard for mobile texting. I think it's coming, largely due to the EU forcing apple to stop being annoying. In the meantime I'll just use WhatsApp when I have to and sms otherwise. Besides, there's usually no need for me outside of crappy photo res to use anything more than SMS, and in those cases email is easy and standard enough even for my mother.
I look forward to that standard because that would mean I can choose a better app and all my contacts can too if they choose, but it would be optional. Imo that's absolutely the way it should be.
I think I sort of see your perspective after this last message. Thanks for sending that and not being as annoyed as a standard Redditor would have been.
I think the fundamental issue left is just that I don't accept one standard to ever be good enough for all direct message communication, I also hope EU legislation will make the situation better. But I also believe we should know our tech and use it because we have a good reason to.
In the end of the day making good open standards should probably be easier than it is. More generally I think closed tech (IP) shouldn't exist, but neither good standards nor open tech exists in the real world unfortunately.
So as a consequence I just want people to make informed decisions to exploit what already exists in accordance with their own demands, whether I get them there by bullying or teaching or discussing is mostly just semantics to me. And if a group or person uses what seems from my perspective to be a bad tool, it is in my view a disservice to myself and them not to at least try a little to get them to use it.
Ty for the conversation as well, I had a feeling that you were actually trying to understand what I wanted to get across so I just sorta kept talking...
Generally I often notice people here are closer to me in position which makes for more interesting discussion, but it can also take quite some time to get to the actual disagreements because the disagreement are so slight.