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I hate how “anti-war” has been hijacked by these people to mean, let imperialist countries invade whoever they want with no consequences. (in the case of tankies, any imperialist country that isn’t in NATO).

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

Which industries are controlled by the workers? Name them please.

[-] RandomGen1@lemm.ee -3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I'll not directly list any because that would be a waste of both of our times (notably some directly listed in the forthcoming article), but here's a wikipedia article with some information about that. I'm picking wiki here because I have a feeling you won't immediately discard it as pro-china propaganda. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-owned_enterprises_of_China

If the workers own the state and the state owns the corporations, what practical difference does it make? In a sense: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_socialism

~~The logic here is the state apparently operates at the will of the people (high approval ratings and high participation) and is working to bring "common prosperity" by gaining more control over the privately owned economy and bringing io state (public) ownership~~

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

No, I will discard it as being false. I asked which industries were controlled by the workers. Those are controlled by the state. The state is not controlled by the workers, it is controlled by Xi Jinping's unelected autocratic regime.

You are being very disingenuous by claiming socialism is when there are state-owned enterprises.

Or are these also socialist countries? In which case, we go back to my original point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_government-owned_companies_of_the_United_Arab_Emirates

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-owned_enterprises_of_South_Africa

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-owned_enterprises_of_the_United_States

[-] RandomGen1@lemm.ee -2 points 3 days ago

I don't see how he's any more unelected than prime ministers who are voted on by their party. From my short wiki read it seems to work pretty similarly to that process

Yes that's definitely exactly what I said thank you. /s

I won't be engaging with you further, thanks.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

I don’t see how he’s any more unelected than prime ministers who are voted on by their party. From my short wiki read it seems to work pretty similarly to that process

Then, again, we go back to my first point that China is just as 'communist' as all of those Western countries. I guess we're in agreement.

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