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Bernie Sanders says defeating oligarchy now most urgent issue
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Clearly defeating oligarchy isnt his most urgant issue considering he could have made a workers party in 2016, 2020, and 2024 yet every time he backed the Democrat candidate. He willingly gave up the fight and deserves no pity or attention.
oh yeah. losing elections would have changed things greatly. no third party is going to pull enough from the two current parties,
The Dems lost anyway... If Bernie had started a party that did okay this time, it would do even better next time... Until it's the Dems who are the "3rd party" and can either fall inline or get fucked
but the dems have won and a third party has never won and its bad enough having republicans in power half the time. having them in power for decades in the slight hope that they will be dethroned after that is the height of madness.
A third party has never been given a fair chance. Bernie is the first person in my lifetime who I think could pull it off... But he only has to get more people to sign up for his party than the Dems... 45m Dems, I think at least 15m go with Bernie... That would mean all he has to do is get 15m newbies to sign up... I think it's doable, even if he actually had to get 25m.
all I know is it has not happened historically that I know of outside of the very founding of the nation before things settles down. Yeah the dominant ones morphed and sometimes changed name but it was not like an actual outside party became dominant. further I have had to live with the worse party being in power half the time for the last 50 years due to unsuccessful attempts and things have gotten worse and worse. A one step forward, two steps back scenario. I have said it before but its a choice of with or without lube. I get that some want to vote for no sodomy but having taken it without lube so much I am unwilling to not vote for with lube.
Considering Trump co-oped his rhetoric im pretty sure Bernie could have won without corporate support. He would have at least pushed the democrats to the left by threatening their left wing voter base. Or perhaps he would have convinced more people to vote who normally wouldnt have because the two options suck. Its easy for Bernie to say "wow I wish there was a workers party" but he literally could have made it and he has no excuse.
this same thing keeps being brought up with third party but it never happens. democrats lesson is the extreme left does not vote for them and going left does not help. Meanwhile rebublican administrations bring us more and more right and the dems oftentimes can't even get us back to we were before another round of more right. could, perhaps but not really.
Ten million people didnt even bother to vote compared to 2020 and more roughly 33% of people didnt vote. Theoretically he could have won and not taken a single vote away from either party.
ten million would not have won and again taking any historical reality into consideration getting 100% of the possible eligible electorate is a pipe dream. I just can't get behind something that has been shown not to work through all of history even though it has indeed been tried. I mean it did not even happen in the hippy erra when tune in, turn on, drop out was a slogan.
Historically it didnt work because nobody tried it and once again Bernie would have rather worked with the Democrat establishment then try to win.
It has been tried. continually. third parties are not a new recent thing. I mean the green party is about the environment which is the most significant problem in the world since the industrial revolution and has been recognized as significant since the 60's politically and the party has existed in the us since the 80's and its an international movement.
Not with that attitude.
yeah or the reality we face today. the fact that republicans win at all indicates the problem. Yeah democrats are not what we would exactly want but republicans have gotten crazy comic villian level of bad and they still get in. If republicans were losing pretty much every election there would be a chance of a third party gaining traction but as it stands its a non starter.
He needs to organize taking over the DNC and replacing the shills with real people. 3rd party can't work unless the system is changed first.
He tried and failed, now hes begging people to forgive him
I think he's begging people to continue trying the peaceful route... One of my biggest issues with him is that he never really seemed to fully grasp the true depths the oligarchy will stoop to, and what would be required to stop them... He did nothing to stop the Clinton people's bullshit, as though his mind just would not allow him to believe they'd do it, just accepted Clinton's bullshit "victory" without fighting. Maybe that's it... He has all the right ideas, he's just not willing to actually fight, get dirty, accept that when dealing with sociopaths you have to assume they'll do anything and prepare/act accordingly. Idk